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A place with 2 40' flagpoles, a giant "SS Sonderkommando" sign, and candy stripes, so you don't miss it...

Wasn't this super secret murder facility also located basically on main street of a backwater village?

You know, when I was in school, and I saw the 'documentary' with the dead bodies going into the ground on an industrial scale, I didn't ask many questions.

The more I learn, the more I can't make anything make sense...I'm not sure I could steelman this no matter how hard I tried.

That is strange. Clearly the camp was not meant to be a secret with these two unmissable flags and flagposts raised in front of it. Here is USHMM's introduction to this photo, from the top of their Sobibor article:

View of the Sobibor camp gate in the spring of 1943. Jews deported to the Sobibor killing center were driven through the gate into the camp on foot, by truck or horse-drawn cart. The train track led through a separate entrance to the right onto the site.

So this was the main gate with the railline running right next to it. It was therefore visible to everyone. And there was nothing sinister hidden behind the fence. It was a clean compound. Here is an elevated view from the right (east) of the gate:



And another view from the left (west) of the gate, perhaps from an earlier date:



The full extensive photo album attributed to Johann Niemann can be viewed here: https://collections.ushmm.org/search/ca ... rsc=205184

What's remarkable about this collection is that it was supposedly unknown until 2020, which means it created an opportunity to compare the actual state of the camp against the stories of witnesses and historians. I wonder if anyone here has taken that opportunity?

As just one quick comparison, I'm noticing that what we see in the photos does not closely match the USHMM's map.



Compared to USHMM's map:
- The "three rows of barbed wire" fence were actually only one or two layers.
- The supposed "camouflage" could never function as camouflage with such short fences, nor with a giant sign and flagposts, etc.
- The watchtowers were missing. Instead there were three small booths along the front stretch.
- The minefield was not visible or marked and actually appears to have been a walking path. The photo from the left of the gate was taken from an elevated position inside the minefield.
- Many buildings (marked 9 and 10) in the southwest area (sometimes called lager I) were missing or not yet built.
- The buildings in the southeast were, at best, incorrectly located and oriented on the map.
- The prominent roofed well near the gate was not marked at all on the map.
- The building marked "garage" did not resemble a garage, nor did its neighbors.

If they could get so much wrong, how much else of the history of the camp is just made up? And that is just a cursory comparison. Of course the claimed extermination area (sometimes called lager III) is not, as far as I can tell, pictured in any of these photos. So, considering the source, why should anyone believe in the extermination story here?

They are willing to email the collection. If I had an account I thought would make it past whatever filter process they are going to use, I'd take a crack at it. I still might.

I had no idea this was a 2020 discovery by the way. Remarkable. Just goes to show, new things surface every day.

I'm going to see if there is a way to determine if Mattogno would be interested if including this in a new edition of the Holocaust Handbook 'Sobibor' with some comparative analysis between the images and the narrative. That's a great idea Wetzelrad!

Also, credit to Nazgul. He posted this image in a reply to SanityCheck, around the time of the 'steelman' thread going up. I of course could see no way to steelman, this.

Wetzelrad wrote: ↑Mon Feb 16, 2026 5:19 am
As just one quick comparison, I'm noticing that what we see in the photos does not closely match the USHMM's map.

https://rodoh.info/post/1347

The incongruence was noticed immediately. Where there should have been buildings there was nothing. It was noticed a year later when I checked again that the maps were updated to fit the images above.

Does the 'extermination area' contain, a livestock pen? Do I need to go to an optometrist? Or is that a livestock pen in the 'extermination area'?

Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Feb 18, 2026 4:14 am Does the 'extermination area' contain, a livestock pin? Do I need to go to an optometrist? Or is that a livestock pin in the 'extermination area'?

I thought it was a chook pen when I first saw it.

Certainly could be. Does not resemble a 'corpse roaster' however, such as they are described in the literature.

I thought it may be for pigs, calves or goats.

Ok, going back to the extermination area photograph, isn't this picture of exactly the place where the population of Gainesville Florida was said to have been buried, exhumed, and burned on pyres, because of the lack of physical space anywhere else in the area? Am I recalling this wrong or disoriented in some way?

Guys, I don't see a massive burial, exhumation, cremation operation going on in exactly the physical spot where it is said to have happened...

Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:08 am Ok, going back to the extermination area photograph, isn't this picture of exactly the place where the population of Gainesville Florida was said to have been buried, exhumed, and burned on pyres, because of the lack of physical space anywhere else in the area? Am I recalling this wrong or disoriented in some way?

Guys, I don't see a massive burial, exhumation, cremation operation going on in exactly the physical spot where it is said to have happened...

Sobibor map
The area being viewed is just below 9 on the map where it says camp perimeter. The commandants house can be seen in the left of the image below.


Sobibor image showing lager 1

In the following construction the photo was taken from the guard tower in area 2, which is lager 1 where the inmates lived.


Recreation of Sobor


Here is an image of the same house today as seen from google earth.


Kommandants House.

Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:08 am Ok, going back to the extermination area photograph [...]

As stated above, it's a photo from the southwest corner showing lager I. This area was originally a lumber mill, hence all the piles of wood organized by type. The USHMM's map would have it that all those piles of wood should be buildings by spring 1942, but they're not there in the photo.

Separately. The existence of this lumber yard helps to explain some other phenomena. The giant, unmissable tower in the middle of camp was a forester's tower, not a guard tower. The brush fences are a natural result of having extra brushwood to use. The deforestation of the northern areas was to produce lumber. Producing lumber was also a useful task for the prisoners to do. Etc. One thing I would like to know is how those tall piles in the yard were made. Dropped from above?

No photograph was kept for lager III ("the extermination area"), that being the northwest corner.

Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Feb 18, 2026 4:14 am Does the 'extermination area' contain, a livestock pen?

If you mean in lager I, I don't know what that small outbuilding is in the middle of the lumber yard. It could resemble a coop or something but it's not the most sensible place for one.

If you mean the "fenced yard" in lager III, it has no definitely known purpose. This book in various parts attempts to parse out whether it was a barrack, a lazaret (euphemistic), an actual yard ("working yard"), or something else. It is highly speculative ("perhaps", "possibility", "nobody knew exactly"), and the witness claims contradict the physical evidence and each other.

Sorry guys. The SS flag is throwing me. I thought this image was snapped from the other side since I don't see the red white and black.

That's my bad.

Also, book? Title please? (Never mind, I see that 'this book' was a live link. Much appreciated. I need to stop posting before my first cup of coffee)

Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 10:28 am Sorry guys. The SS flag is throwing me. I thought this image was snapped from the other side since I don't see the red white and black.

That's my bad.

Also, book? Title please?

This image location is given below beneath the images.


Same location different time.

Thanks Herr Wraith. That's got me oriented now. Much appreciated.

Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 2:02 pm Thanks Herr Wraith. That's got me oriented now. Much appreciated.

As you can see in the map and the reconstruction, where there should be buildings there are none, just a chicken coop in the middle or something.

The following map is no different to the first map provided:


The map below is closer to the photograph:

The orientation of the buildings do not align with the photograph.