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The Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa) was among the first to gather intelligence on the Nazi extermination efforts in late 1941 to early 1942. They documented mass shootings and the beginnings of deportations to extermination camps. Early reports were sent to the Polish government-in-exile and smuggled out to the West. Since they were the first to report, they did not rely on or have knowledge of other later reports like escapee accounts or Allied intelligence intercepts.

Later on, allied cryptographers, notably at Bletchley Park in the UK, intercepted German military and government communications discussing deportations and exterminations. These intercepts were independent of human intelligence and provided direct evidence from Nazi sources themselves. Though fragmented and coded, these decrypts confirmed aspects of the genocide from within the Nazi command structure. The cryptographers worked in secret and were not connected to resistance groups or escapees, so SIGINT reports had no prior knowledge of Polish Underground or escapee testimonies.

In April 1944, two Jewish prisoners, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, escaped Auschwitz and wrote a detailed account describing the gas chambers, selection processes, and extermination procedures. Their report was circulated independently of Polish resistance intelligence and became one of the most direct eyewitness testimonies to the Allies. The Vrba-Wetzler Report (April 1944) was produced by escapees who had no access to Polish Underground reports or Allied intelligence decrypts at the time of their escape. They relied solely on what they witnessed inside the camp.

Witold Pilecki’s Report (1943) was from Piecki who voluntarily infiltrated Auschwitz to gather intelligence firsthand and smuggle out reports on camp conditions and mass murder. His accounts were independent intelligence gathered “from within” the camp, distinct from Polish Underground resistance network reports outside.

Fritz Kolbe was a German diplomat who passed secret documents to the Allies revealing Nazi policies, including the persecution and murder of Jews. These documents were independent of resistance and escapee reports.

Other German insiders and spies provided fragmented but valuable information on the genocide. These came from diplomatic channels in neutral countries, based on their own intelligence gathering and refugee interviews, not connected to Polish resistance or intercepted communications.

Nearly all sources—Polish underground, escapees, SIGINT intercepts, defectors, and diplomats—agreed that the Nazis were conducting a deliberate, large-scale extermination of Jews. This wasn’t random violence; it was a coordinated, state-sponsored genocide. Many reports named or described camps specifically designed for killing: Auschwitz, Treblinka, Bełżec, Sobibór, and Chelmno. The Polish Underground and escapee reports especially detailed these sites. Reports commonly described mass shootings, gas chambers, starvation, and inhumane conditions as methods of execution and extermination. While estimates varied, the reports all conveyed that millions of Jews were being targeted and murdered. Most reports focused on the Jewish population but often also mentioned other groups—Roma (Gypsies), political prisoners, and others—as victims of Nazi policies.

While all these independent reports shared the core truth of the Holocaust—the systematic murder of Jews—they differed in the type of information, detail level, and emotional impact. Together, these differences complemented each other, allowing the Allies to assemble a more complete, corroborated understanding than any single source could provide.

How could all of these independent sources all report the systematic murder of Jews (the Holocaust), when none of them were basing their information off of the other sources? This is the true origin of the Holocaust narrative and it came from many different independent sources.

Each major stream of intelligence—Polish underground, escapees, SIGINT, defectors, and neutral diplomats—developed independent knowledge of Nazi atrocities without cross-awareness at the time of reporting. This independence strengthens the credibility of the Holocaust evidence since multiple, unconnected sources arrived at the same conclusions separately. The fact that these independent reports about the Holocaust did not have knowledge of one another at the time they were produced, is part of what makes their convergence so powerful as evidence.

The Polish Underground named camps like Treblinka, Bełżec, Sobibór, Auschwitz and detailed how their purpose was as a center for mass killing.

The Auschwitz escapees (Vrba and Wetzler) confirmed Auschwitz as a death camp with gas chambers and crematoria, giving detailed maps and eyewitness accounts.

Some diplomatic reports and German defectors referred to deportations to camps in Poland and the use of these facilities for “final solution” purposes.

The Polish Underground reported mass shootings, gas chambers, starvation, and forced labor leading to death.

The escapees described the use of Zyklon B gas in chambers, the selection process separating those sent to immediate death, and cremation of bodies.

The SIGINT intercepts contained coded references to “special treatment” and transportation of large numbers of people to “processing” or “disinfection” centers, euphemisms for killing.

Polish Government-in-Exile (Raczyński’s Note) estimated that over 700,000 Jews had already been killed by late 1942.

The escapees indicated daily death tolls in thousands at camps like Auschwitz.

The defectors confirmed Nazi orders and logistics for exterminating millions.

The Polish Underground & Escapees primarily focused on Jewish victims but also mentioned Roma and political prisoners. The German diplomats noted that Jews were the main target of extermination policies.

Despite coming from different perspectives and intelligence methods, these independent sources converged on key facts: there were dedicated extermination camps primarily targeting Jews; mass killings were carried out by gas and shootings; the genocide was vast and systematic; deportations by train were a key part of the process. This independent yet consistent overlap provides extremely robust evidence for the historical validity of the Holocaust.

ConfusedJew,

Your threads suck.

Some of the problems (non-exhaustive):

-Bringing up numerous points at one time (gish gallop), none of which are well developed or presented with adequate argumentation
-Making overly vague, sweeping assertions, with a lack of proper sourcing (no primary or even secondary sources are referenced)
-Posting familiar material like it has never been discussed before

The larger, overarching problem is that you persist in stating opinions about material that you are obviously not familiar with, and you refuse to do any real research.

This is real research. The argument is simple.

Many independent early sources reported the same key details about the Holocaust. They were not connected to one another, nor did they have any knowledge of one another, but they independently reported similar details of mass murder, gas chambers, and persecuting Jews.

I can't possibly see any way to explain that off but maybe you guys will be able to come up with something.

ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 8:51 pm The Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa) was among the first to gather intelligence on the Nazi extermination efforts in late 1941 to early 1942. They documented mass shootings and the beginnings of deportations to extermination camps. Early reports were sent to the Polish government-in-exile and smuggled out to the West. Since they were the first to report, they did not rely on or have knowledge of other later reports like escapee accounts or Allied intelligence intercepts.

How many of these "intelligence" reports have you actually read? I'm guessing zero.

Here, let me spoon-feed you some. Arad quotes several of these (see ch 44 of his AR book).

...they force the Jews to undress in order to go, supposedly, to the showers. Actually they are taken to the gas chambers, exterminated there, and then buried in prepared pits, sometimes when they are still alive. The pits are dug with machines. The gas chambers are mobile, and they are situated above the pits.
-Armia Krajowa, Information Bulletin, 17 Aug 1942 (Arad, 404)

This "intelligence" report says the gas chambers were "mobile" and that they were situated above the pits. It sounds like they are imagining the bodies were dropped from the gas chambers into the pits. Whatever the exact mechanism they are trying to describe, that doesn't match the current story which is that the gas chambers were stationary and that the bodies had to be pulled out and taken to the graves.

The Ukrainians remove the Jews from the cars and lead them to the “shower to bathe.” The building is fenced off with barbed wire. They enter it in groups of 300-500 people. Each group is immediately closed hermetically inside, and gassed. The gas does not affect them immediately, because the Jews still have to continue on to the pits that are a few dozen meters away, and whose depth is 30 meters. There they fall unconscious, and a digger covers them with a thin layer of earth. Then another group arrives. … Soon we will relay an authentic testimony of a Jews who succeeded in escaping from Treblinka.
-Armia Krajowa, Information Bulletin, 8 Sep 1942(Arad, 405)

This one says they dosed them with just enough gas to permit them to stagger to the graves. Lmao. Another whiff. A bad one.

From the bath nobody returned, and new groups were entering there constantly. The bath was actually a house of murder. The floor in this barrack opened up and the people fell into a machine. According to the opinion of some of those who escaped, the people in the barrack were gassed. According to another opinion, they were killed by electrical current. [...] The bath absorbs 200 people every fifteen minutes, so in twenty-four hours the killing capacity is 20,000 people. That was the explanation for the incessant arrival of people in the camp, from where there was no return, except a few hundred who succeeded in escaping during the whole time.
-Oif der Vach (underground newspaper of the Bund), 20 Sep 1942 (Arad, 292-294)

Trapdoor in the floor. Another howler. Okay. Let's look at another.

The gas chambers are operated in the following system: outside the building, an engine works twenty-four hours a day. Its exhaust is connected to the wall of the barrack and through it the gas is introduced. The gas is a combination of poisonous liquid mixed with the gasoline from the engine and kills the people who are locked in. Within the camp, in addition to the Jewish workers, there is a Jewish orchestra and a group of Jewish women for entertaining the staff. By the end of August, 320,000 Jews were murdered in Treblinka.
-Armia Krajowa, Information Bulletin, 5 Oct 1942 (Arad, 405)

This one is not quite as obviously ridiculous. And the story about the engine is at least similar to the official story. But notice that it says the engine ran for 24 hours a day. Hmm. That's weird, right? The gassing should only take a few minutes. This is more likely describing an engine being used as a generator. Another of these reports (which I will quote below) explicitly says there was a diesel motor at the camp that used as a generator. It is also odd that it says they added poison to the gas as there would be no reason to do that.

The most significant underground report of Treblinka is the Nov 1942 report which came out of the Warsaw ghetto. Arad says of it: “This report is the first in which there is a comprehensive description of the Treblinka extermination camp. The facts are, for the most part, correct.” It actually does have a lot of general information about Treblinka, but the description of the killing mechanism is, unfortunately for you, laughably false. Arad fails to mentions that the report says the death chambers used steam.

“Inside the furnace-room is a large boiler for the production of steam, and with the help of pipes that run through the death rooms, which are provided with an appropriate number of holes, the superheated steam is injected into the interior of the rooms.”

“In that manner the execution rooms are filled completely, then the doors are closed hermetically, and the long asphyxiation of the victims, by the steam coming out of the numerous holes in the pipes, begins. At the start, screams come from inside; they die down slowly, after 15 minutes the execution is completed.”(Reproduced in HH #8, pg. 51-57)

It claims two million Jews had been steamed to death like lobsters. And it describes the steaming process in exquisite detail. Not only does it get the killing mechanism wrong, it describes a diesel engine (like what the official story claims was used for gassing) but it says the engine was used as a generator.

A Diesel-motor supplies the energy and its rattle is a characteristic sound at Treblinka B.

Sorry, CJ, but I would say not only are these reports not good evidence for the Holocaust, they are rather strong evidence that it is false. The sensational and unreliable nature of these reports is unmistakable. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here. Most people have no idea that Holocaust is based on such ridiculous stories. When fair-minded people become aware of the nature of this material they begin to doubt it.

Here's one Arad quotes for Belzec.

After unloading, the men are taken to the barrack on the right, the women to the barrack on the left, where they have to remove their clothes, as if they were going to baths. After removing their clothes, both groups proceed to the third barrack, with an electric floor, where the extermination is carried out. Afterwards, the corpses are transferred by trolley to a trench behind the fence, which is 3 meters deep. The trench was dug by Jews, and all of them were subsequently liquidated. The Ukranian guards on the spot have to be liquidated after the action is completed.
Delegatura to Government-in-exile Jul, 10 1942 (Arad, pg 402)

Electric floor. Doh!

ConfusedJew, please be straight with me. When you read the actual text of these "intelligence reports" you were hyping in the OP, can you really say you have confidence in these stories? Really?

ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 8:51 pm Later on, allied cryptographers, notably at Bletchley Park in the UK, intercepted German military and government communications discussing deportations and exterminations. These intercepts were independent of human intelligence and provided direct evidence from Nazi sources themselves. Though fragmented and coded, these decrypts confirmed aspects of the genocide from within the Nazi command structure. The cryptographers worked in secret and were not connected to resistance groups or escapees, so SIGINT reports had no prior knowledge of Polish Underground or escapee testimonies.

There were many intercepted messages about Auschwitz, none of which give any indication that it was a "extermination camp." Below is the money quote from the standard, mainstream text on the subject.

The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates, mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.
-Harry Hinsley, British Intelligence in World War Two, 1981, Vol 2, pg. 673

See Mattogno in HH #41 for more on this.

The explanation from your side for this inconvenient fact is that the Holocaust was so super secret they didn't even allude to it in encrypted communications even though they did discuss vital military secrets.

ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 10:44 pm This is real research. The argument is simple.

Many independent early sources reported the same key details about the Holocaust. They were not connected to one another, nor did they have any knowledge of one another, but they independently reported similar details of mass murder, gas chambers, and persecuting Jews.

I can't possibly see any way to explain that off but maybe you guys will be able to come up with something.

No, you aren't doing real research. If you were serious, you would have read multiple secondary sources by now, and you would be following up with primary sources on key points of interest. Instead, you have been going in circles with your AI for months and have little to show for it. "It's saving me time." No, it isn't, not if you insist on using it as a substitute for real sources. It's not reliable at all on the details of what we discuss here, it does not have access to most of the relevant documents and testimonies, and you aren't experienced enough in the topic to know when it's leading you down the garden path.



The sources AI relies on are simply not good enough for what we are doing. If you want to know some basic facts about WWII, it's probably fine. For highly specific testimonies and documents and so on, you have to read the actual sources, not just what someone might have said about it on reddit (with all the gaps filled in with hallucinations).

Asking AI for material you can use to prove the Holocaust and then posting it without even knowing what it is is definitely not research. Here for example, you refer to Vrba-Wetzler. You imply that it support your position. You fail to make any specific arguments. You most likely have not read the report and do not actually know what it is. So really this is just plagiarism, presenting the thoughts of others as your own (with the material in this case having been reworded by the LLM).

ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 8:51 pm In April 1944, two Jewish prisoners, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, escaped Auschwitz and wrote a detailed account describing the gas chambers, selection processes, and extermination procedures. Their report was circulated independently of Polish resistance intelligence and became one of the most direct eyewitness testimonies to the Allies. The Vrba-Wetzler Report (April 1944) was produced by escapees who had no access to Polish Underground reports or Allied intelligence decrypts at the time of their escape. They relied solely on what they witnessed inside the camp.

Have you actually read this report? If not, then the above is dishonest. It is dishonest to make statements like this about things you haven't actually seen.

Here is a copy of it (the WRB version which includes additional material). It has been discussed at great length.
http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/_resou ... l00522.pdf

How about you go read it and then when you come back I will rip it apart.

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:34 pmNo, you aren't doing real research. If you were serious, you would have read multiple secondary sources by now, and you would be following up with primary sources on key points of interest. Instead, you have been going in circles with your AI for months and have little to show for it.

I think he's well-aware of this. It highlights once again that he's not actually interested in the topic at all... he's got other motives, ones which I think are obvious given Jewish patterns more broadly and his shameless adherence. He won't read the books or the articles because, simply put, he doesn't need to -- it's working just fine (at least, he thinks so) to defend Jewish interests by copy-spamming AI output in his spare time, and defending these interests is why he's here. Unfortunately for him, I think he will eventually realize his behavior is a big 'chillul Hashem' (bad Jewish PR) and may cut back or change his approach. But for now, he seems content with continuing the same disingenuous spamming, only ever dialing it down when threatened with the possibility of suspension or a ban.

These wartime reports are not forensic reports and don't require nearly the same degree of accuracy or careful methodology.

You are welcome to pick apart the inaccuracies but you can't explain why the core facts are the same across many of these different sources that were completely disconnected from one another.

I'm not interested in what was inaccurate in those report, but why do you think they shared so many striking key similarities?

Callafangers wrote: ↑Sun Aug 10, 2025 1:06 am

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:34 pmNo, you aren't doing real research. If you were serious, you would have read multiple secondary sources by now, and you would be following up with primary sources on key points of interest. Instead, you have been going in circles with your AI for months and have little to show for it.

I think he's well-aware of this. It highlights once again that he's not actually interested in the topic at all... he's got other motives, ones which I think are obvious given Jewish patterns more broadly and his shameless adherence. He won't read the books or the articles because, simply put, he doesn't need to -- it's working just fine (at least, he thinks so) to defend Jewish interests by copy-spamming AI output in his spare time, and defending these interests is why he's here. Unfortunately for him, I think he will eventually realize his behavior is a big 'chillul Hashem' (bad Jewish PR) and may cut back or change his approach. But for now, he seems content with continuing the same disingenuous spamming, only ever dialing it down when threatened with the possibility of suspension or a ban.

Why don't you actually address the facts and arguments rather than trying to heap some anti semitic nonsense on me? Archie provided me with an actual response although his criticisms don't address my questions.

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:34 pm Have you actually read this report? If not, then the above is dishonest. It is dishonest to make statements like this about things you haven't actually seen.

Here is a copy of it (the WRB version which includes additional material). It has been discussed at great length.
http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/_resou ... l00522.pdf

How about you go read it and then when you come back I will rip it apart.

"The following report does not contain everything these two men experienced during their captivity. but only what the one or both together underwent, heard or experienced at first hand. No individual i mpressions or judgments are recorded and nothing passed on from hear-say.

The report starts with the story of the young Jew who was removed from SERED, The account of his experiences in BIRKENAU begins at the time the second Jew arrived there and is therefore based on the statements of both. Then follows the individual narrative of the second Jew who was sent from NOVAKY to LUBLIN and from there to AUSCHWITZ.

The declarations tally with all the trustworthy yet fragmentary reports hitherto received and the dates given with regard to transports to various camps agree with the official records. These statements can therefore be considered as entirely credible."

ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Sun Aug 10, 2025 3:43 am
Why don't you actually address the facts and arguments rather than trying to heap some anti semitic nonsense on me? Archie provided me with an actual response although his criticisms don't address my questions.

Why do you and your group get a special word for anytime people do not like your offensive and problematic behaviors?

You've been given argument after argument -- just as importantly, you've been given guidance and encouragement on how to engage in a decent and genuine way. All that is asked is that you actually learn the material you are speaking on before you pretend you are an expert and waste everyone's time.

It really isn't much to ask.

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:04 pm ... Arad quotes several of these (see ch 44 of his AR book).

...they force the Jews to undress in order to go, supposedly, to the showers. Actually they are taken to the gas chambers, exterminated there, and then buried in prepared pits, sometimes when they are still alive. The pits are dug with machines. The gas chambers are mobile, and they are situated above the pits.
-Armia Krajowa, Information Bulletin, 17 Aug 1942 (Arad, 404)

This "intelligence" report says the gas chambers were "mobile" and that they were situated above the pits. It sounds like they are imagining the bodies were dropped from the gas chambers into the pits. Whatever the exact mechanism they are trying to describe, that doesn't match the current story which is that the gas chambers were stationary and that the bodies had to be pulled out and taken to the graves.

The Ukrainians remove the Jews from the cars and lead them to the “shower to bathe.” The building is fenced off with barbed wire. They enter it in groups of 300-500 people. Each group is immediately closed hermetically inside, and gassed. The gas does not affect them immediately, because the Jews still have to continue on to the pits that are a few dozen meters away, and whose depth is 30 meters. There they fall unconscious, and a digger covers them with a thin layer of earth. Then another group arrives. … Soon we will relay an authentic testimony of a Jews who succeeded in escaping from Treblinka.
-Armia Krajowa, Information Bulletin, 8 Sep 1942(Arad, 405)

This one says they dosed them with just enough gas to permit them to stagger to the graves. Lmao. Another whiff. A bad one.

From the bath nobody returned, and new groups were entering there constantly. The bath was actually a house of murder. The floor in this barrack opened up and the people fell into a machine. According to the opinion of some of those who escaped, the people in the barrack were gassed. According to another opinion, they were killed by electrical current. [...] The bath absorbs 200 people every fifteen minutes, so in twenty-four hours the killing capacity is 20,000 people. That was the explanation for the incessant arrival of people in the camp, from where there was no return, except a few hundred who succeeded in escaping during the whole time.
-Oif der Vach (underground newspaper of the Bund), 20 Sep 1942 (Arad, 292-294)

Trapdoor in the floor. Another howler. Okay. Let's look at another.

The gas chambers are operated in the following system: outside the building, an engine works twenty-four hours a day. Its exhaust is connected to the wall of the barrack and through it the gas is introduced. The gas is a combination of poisonous liquid mixed with the gasoline from the engine and kills the people who are locked in. Within the camp, in addition to the Jewish workers, there is a Jewish orchestra and a group of Jewish women for entertaining the staff. By the end of August, 320,000 Jews were murdered in Treblinka.
-Armia Krajowa, Information Bulletin, 5 Oct 1942 (Arad, 405)

This one is not quite as obviously ridiculous. And the story about the engine is at least similar to the official story. But notice that it says the engine ran for 24 hours a day. Hmm. That's weird, right? The gassing should only take a few minutes. This is more likely describing an engine being used as a generator. Another of these reports (which I will quote below) explicitly says there was a diesel motor at the camp that used as a generator. It is also odd that it says they added poison to the gas as there would be no reason to do that.

The most significant underground report of Treblinka is the Nov 1942 report which came out of the Warsaw ghetto. Arad says of it: “This report is the first in which there is a comprehensive description of the Treblinka extermination camp. The facts are, for the most part, correct.” It actually does have a lot of general information about Treblinka, but the description of the killing mechanism is, unfortunately for you, laughably false. Arad fails to mentions that the report says the death chambers used steam.

“Inside the furnace-room is a large boiler for the production of steam, and with the help of pipes that run through the death rooms, which are provided with an appropriate number of holes, the superheated steam is injected into the interior of the rooms.”

“In that manner the execution rooms are filled completely, then the doors are closed hermetically, and the long asphyxiation of the victims, by the steam coming out of the numerous holes in the pipes, begins. At the start, screams come from inside; they die down slowly, after 15 minutes the execution is completed.”(Reproduced in HH #8, pg. 51-57)

It claims two million Jews had been steamed to death like lobsters. And it describes the steaming process in exquisite detail. Not only does it get the killing mechanism wrong, it describes a diesel engine (like what the official story claims was used for gassing) but it says the engine was used as a generator.

A Diesel-motor supplies the energy and its rattle is a characteristic sound at Treblinka B.

Sorry, CJ, but I would say not only are these reports not good evidence for the Holocaust, they are rather strong evidence that it is false. The sensational and unreliable nature of these reports is unmistakable. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here. Most people have no idea that Holocaust is based on such ridiculous stories. When fair-minded people become aware of the nature of this material they begin to doubt it.

Here's one Arad quotes for Belzec.

After unloading, the men are taken to the barrack on the right, the women to the barrack on the left, where they have to remove their clothes, as if they were going to baths. After removing their clothes, both groups proceed to the third barrack, with an electric floor, where the extermination is carried out. Afterwards, the corpses are transferred by trolley to a trench behind the fence, which is 3 meters deep. The trench was dug by Jews, and all of them were subsequently liquidated. The Ukranian guards on the spot have to be liquidated after the action is completed.
Delegatura to Government-in-exile Jul, 10 1942 (Arad, pg 402)

Electric floor. Doh!

....When you read the actual text of these "intelligence reports" you were hyping in the OP, can you really say you have confidence in these stories? Really?

You like to have a go at CJ, for his ignorance on certain topics, but when it comes to testimonial evidence, it is so-called revisionists who are the most ignorant.

You have taken what is clearly hearsay, second hand reports, rumours and poured scorn on them, scorn that you then use to justify your belief it is all lies. Then, you fail to take into account that it is well known, and understood, that hearsay is rarely accurate. By its very nature, of the passing of information from one person to another, based on rumours, incomplete information and suspicions, it is not going to be accurate. It would be more suspect for those earliest reports, to be accurate and agree on the details.

Then, you ignore that there is 100% agreement about the main event, that the Nazis are mass murdering Jews inside certain camps inside chambers, and then burying them. It is the detail of how they die in the chambers that there is variation.

The 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas had hundreds of witnesses. It generated a lot of news. From the start, there was 100% agreement about the main event, there had been a mass shooting. Initially, the detail was vague and we now know, at times, wrong. People were reporting what they had heard, rumours spread, there was uncertainty. That is just for one incident. Scale that up to multiple incidents, over a period of time, at different locations and of course the earliest information is not going to all be accurate. It would be impossible for it to be so.

Indeed, if the earliest reports all agreed that Nazis were gassing Jews using petrol engines taken from captured Soviet vehicles, that would be suspicious. It would be suggestive of a coordinated conspiracy, with one source controlling all the information. When the earliest reports contain inaccurate details, that is suggestive of no coordinated conspiracy, with different people acting independently.

If you made the effort to be less ignorant of testimonial evidence, you would realise that the earliest reports, were accurate about the main event, the mass murder of Jews in certain camps, but they were often inaccurate on details, because they were based on rumours, second hand evidence, hearsay. And, that is exactly how it would be expected to be. It is perfectly normal.

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:17 pm

ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 8:51 pm Later on, allied cryptographers, notably at Bletchley Park in the UK, intercepted German military and government communications discussing deportations and exterminations. These intercepts were independent of human intelligence and provided direct evidence from Nazi sources themselves. Though fragmented and coded, these decrypts confirmed aspects of the genocide from within the Nazi command structure. The cryptographers worked in secret and were not connected to resistance groups or escapees, so SIGINT reports had no prior knowledge of Polish Underground or escapee testimonies.

There were many intercepted messages about Auschwitz, none of which give any indication that it was a "extermination camp." Below is the money quote from the standard, mainstream text on the subject.

The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates, mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.
-Harry Hinsley, British Intelligence in World War Two, 1981, Vol 2, pg. 673

See Mattogno in HH #41 for more on this.

The explanation from your side for this inconvenient fact is that the Holocaust was so super secret they didn't even allude to it in encrypted communications even though they did discuss vital military secrets.

As shown in the documents recovered from the camp's construction office, none of which refer to homicidal gassings, even though those documents were not for publication, there was a culture of secrecy at the camp. There was a "special" action, or treatment, of infirm prisoners, Jews and Hungarians.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ce-on.html

"Report from Karl Bischoff of 4 November 1942 on “special cellar” in crematorium 2 [ A new document mentioning "special cellars" (Sonderkeller) in the crematoria 2 and 3 at Birkenau ]"

"Memo from Fritz Wolter of 27 November 1942 on “special cellars” in crematorium 2 [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 180]

"Order from Glücks via Liebehenschel of 15 June 1943 on “special buildings” should be “located offside in accordance with their purpose and cannot be stared at by all sorts of people” [NO-1242]"

"Telegram of Kammler to the central construction office Auschwitz on "for the special action Hungary, immediately erect three horse-stable barracks at the swerve bunkers" [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.149]"

"Duty notes from August Bielisch of 20 May [Leide, NS-Verbrecher und Staatssicherheit, p. 262], Gottfried Weisse of 24 May and Gerhard Appel of 25 May 1944 [Faschismus - Getto - Massenmord, p. 373]: "I will maintain unconditional secrecy during the measures to carry out the Jewish evacuation, and also vis-à-vis my comrades"

"Telegram from Hans Kammler to the central construction office of 25 May 1944 on “for special action Hungary/program 3 horse stable barracks are immediately to be erected at the swerve bunkers” [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.150]"

"Memo from Werner Jothann of 17 June 1944 on “camouflage of the crematoria and security measures by erection of a second fence“ [Auschwitz 1940-1945, Volume 3 p. 183]"

Nothing there was for public publication. It is hardly surprising, in that context, that encrypted messages also avoided the discussion of gassings.

ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Sat Aug 09, 2025 8:51 pm The Polish Home Army (Armia Krajowa) was among the first to gather intelligence on the Nazi extermination efforts in late 1941 to early 1942...

In April 1944, two Jewish prisoners, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, escaped Auschwitz and wrote a detailed account describing the gas chambers, selection processes, and extermination procedures.

This is an issue so-called revisionists avoid. The earliest reports came from Polish non-Jewish and Slovakian Jewish sources. Even the hardest of hard core holocaust denier, cannot believe that Christian Poles and Jewish Slovaks successfully conspired to fool the word that there had been the mass murder of millions of Jews. So, those earliest reports somehow morph into being from the Soviets, who had a history of mass cover-ups and deceptions.