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"Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 4:12 pm
by Cowboy


I thought this was a good breakdown of the hypocrisy from Jews when it comes to the starvation in Gaza and the Holocaust. Figured I would share it here since it's relevant to the forum. For reference, I found this tweet from the official Israel account on X where it is perpetuating "starvation revisionism":
https://x.com/Israel/status/1950129368602190189

On a side note, it is hard to keep a straight face when people in the Israeli government along with Israeli shills will make claims such as "Hamas is stealing all of the food that we give them", insinuating that they are trying to help the people in Gaza. Here are two posts on X from Israel's National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir having to do with humanitarian aid:
1. Factually, there is no hunger in Gaza.

2. If they were hungry, they would have already returned the hostages home.

3. I am in favor of starving Hamas in Gaza.
On Saturday night, I was informed by a source in the Prime Minister's Office that during the Sabbath, a security consultation was held without me ... in which it was decided to increase the quantities of "humanitarian" aid entering Gaza.

I told the source from the office that this is a surrender to Hamas's deceitful campaign, which endangers the lives of IDF soldiers, and that this surrender is far more serious after the Prime Minister said on Friday that "we will examine alternative ways to release the hostages."
It turns out that the "alternative way" is to surrender to Hamas and its deceitful campaigns and to increase the humanitarian aid that reaches it directly. This path distances the return of the hostages and, above all, distances the absolute victory in the war.

The only way to win the war and bring back the hostages is to completely stop the "humanitarian" aid, conquer the entire Strip, and encourage voluntary migration.
So, not only does he oppose humanitarian aid getting into Gaza, but he thinks they deserve to starve and be expelled. How can this approach be squared with claims that Israel wants to give aid to the Gazans? The hypocrisy is unlike anything I've seen before.

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 12:54 am
by Wetzelrad
Yes, the irony is palpable. I noted something similar in October, when all of the top replies to this post were various forms of denial. If it doesn't display, it includes three x-ray images from Gaza hospitals of patients with bullets embedded in their skulls, from a NYT article.



The top reply called the x-rays "scientifically impossible" and proven "staged" based on amateur analysis. Many simply claimed the doctors could not be trusted because they are Muslim or aligned against Israel in some way. Some claimed the shots were fired by Hamas based on nothing at all. Others claimed in contradiction to each other that the bullets were a type of 5.56 that only Hamas uses, or that they weren't 5.56 at all, or that they were outside the skull altogether. Also that the patient in one image being intubated meant it was fake, or that the patient in another image not being intubated meant it was fake. Still others made logical errors, like the idea that an x-ray is fake if the entry wound isn't visible, as if the bullet could not have struck from an angle different from the plane of the x-ray.

We can even grant that some of these arguments have legitimacy -- outside this particular case, which is supported by other evidence -- but how does that compare with the Holocaust? With Jewish Holocaust deaths we are expected to take as fact any assertion that Jews were executed. This is asserted in some cases of photos of bodies with no visible wounds, but in other cases they don't even have a photo, much less an x-ray. Yet we know with 100% certainty that if someone were to employ any of the above arguments, it would be called Holocaust denial.

This flagrant double standard should offend any decent person.

Israel's official X account has been a frequent source and propagator of atrocity denial. In one case, they claimed a kid in a hospital named Mohammed Zendiq was actually someone named Saleh Aljafarawi who they termed an "actor". Plus they muddled a bunch of other facts besides that.
https://x.com/MattBinder/status/1717648864251957365

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 1:57 pm
by Archie
Yes. Jews turn into eager revisionists when they are the perpetrators.

Old post on Deir Yassin denial
https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... c9977.html

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:41 pm
by ConfusedJew
Most Jews recognize that the Gazans are being starved by a faction within the Israeli government. It is by definition racist to ascribe the actions of a small group of people to the whole.

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 7:26 pm
by Wahrheitssucher
ConfusedJew wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:41 pm Most Jews recognise that the Gazans are being starved by a faction within the Israeli government.
It is by definition racist to ascribe the actions of a small group of people to the whole.
But it is not a ‘faction’.
It is the majority of both the Israeli government AND the Israeli population.

There exists film of Israelis — including young kids — destroying food in aid convoys.

I have seen film of Israeli, American, Australian, Irish and British jews attacking peaceful protestors in the street merely for peacefully demonstrating against the genocidal starvation and killing of Gazans.

You yourself have NEVER condemned it,
nor expressed any sympathy with the victims,
nor expressed any outrage at the wickedly racist cruelty of
either the jewish perpetrators of it, NOR the jewish supporters of it worldwide.

Yet here you again falsely making accusations of ‘racism’.
As someone who proudly self-identifies as a ‘jew’ you SHOULD
be loudly distancing yourself from this wicked collective behaviour supported by many, many jews worldwide.
Yet here you are falsely branding observation of the wicked actions that jews are collectively doing as ‘racism’.

So by this attempt at deceitfully obscuring who it is that is actually committing and supporting this heinous crime, YOU CJ have made yourself complicit.

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 7:29 pm
by AreYouSirius
ConfusedJew wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:41 pm Most Jews recognize that the Gazans are being starved by a faction within the Israeli government. It is by definition racist to ascribe the actions of a small group of people to the whole.
Oh no, we aren’t indulging this. Get outta here with this feeble “muh racism” complaint.

Your cultish sect insisted on partnering with secular Zionists and the British to create an apartheid ethnostate in the middle of Palestine decades ago. Said sect insisted it was IMPERATIVE to manifest a Jewish state. Armed with this ethno-supremacist mandate, you and your people have expelled, abused, murdered, (enthusiastically) raped, and corralled Palestinians into open-air concentration camps, carrying out a brutal and inhumane occupation since 1967.

You’ve been starving them for decades, holding them to a meager caloric diet. The starvation has accelerated and is just too horrifyingly obvious to hide at this point.

Oh, also! Your rabbinical holy texts that undergird your religion classify non-Jews as animalistic and “lesser-than” Jews. So is Israel even starving human beings, or are these famished slightly browner people just livestock?

So yes I ascribe blame for the actions of this “small group within your sect” to Jews as a whole, and I apply some blame for their starvation to you specifically — because seemingly you consent to it all, you excuse it, and you are fine with it.

What are you actively doing to combat and stop this egregious Holocaust underway in 2025?

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 8:05 pm
by ConfusedJew
This really isn't worth responding to.

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 8:38 pm
by Cowboy
ConfusedJew wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 6:41 pm Most Jews recognize that the Gazans are being starved by a faction within the Israeli government. It is by definition racist to ascribe the actions of a small group of people to the whole.
The point of the original post was to show that Jews, Zionists, and people within the Israeli government are downplaying the starvation/genocide that is occurring in Gaza. The rhetoric they use is very similar to what revisionists have to say when it concerns the Holocaust. The irony is palpable because they are the same people that say questioning aspects about the Holocaust is so evil that they should be censored and face jail time.

Sensible people realize that there is a deliberate genocide taking place in Gaza. The evidence of purposeful starvation and slaughter of innocent people is overwhelming, while lies such as "Hamas is stealing the food" is just conjecture not substantiated by any evidence.

We are able to generalize groups based on patterns and standard group behavior. This is why stereotypes exist. This really doesn't need to be expanded upon since it's pretty self-explanatory and it will steer the conversation away from what's actually important.

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:32 pm
by ConfusedJew
I don't know exactly what is going on there or why, but it does seem like there are government officials that are knowingly denying or openly supporting starvation of the Gazans which is unconscionable. Some people here have described that behavior as reflecting the attitude and actions of all or even many Jews which is very wrong.

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:49 pm
by Wahrheitssucher
ConfusedJew wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:32 pm I don't know exactly what is going on there or why, but it does seem like there are government officials that are knowingly denying or openly supporting starvation of the Gazans which is unconscionable. Some people here have described that behavior as reflecting the attitude and actions of all or even many Jews which is very wrong.
Can you prove it is not “reflecting the attitude and actions of… many Jews”?

You yourself won’t even admit it is definitely occurring!!, Instead you wrote it only “seems” to be happening with full Israeli governmental and societal backing,

Which makes YOU a jewish genocide denier.

Not only are the Israeli jews deliberately starving non-jews to death in occupied Palestine but they are even shooting the starving people dead as they queue for food-aid.

What sort of wicked mind-set then comes on a discussion forum, proudly proclaims to be jewish and suggests it might not be happening, and if it is its only a tiny faction” in the Israeli govt who is somehow enabling this mass-starvation??? :o

:(

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:04 pm
by AreYouSirius
ConfusedJew wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:32 pm I don't know exactly what is going on there or why, but it does seem like there are government officials that are knowingly denying or openly supporting starvation of the Gazans which is unconscionable. Some people here have described that behavior as reflecting the attitude and actions of all or even many Jews which is very wrong.
Wrong? How so?

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:14 pm
by ConfusedJew
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:49 pm
You yourself won’t even admit it is definitely occurring!!, Instead you wrote it only “seems” to be happening with full Israeli governmental and societal backing,

Which makes YOU a jewish genocide denier.

Not only are the Israeli jews deliberately starving non-jews to death in occupied Palestine but they are even shooting the starving people dead as they queue for food-aid.

What sort of wicked mind-set then comes on a discussion forum, proudly proclaims to be jewish and suggests it might not be happening, and if it is its only a tiny faction” in the Israeli govt who is somehow enabling this mass-starvation??? :o

:(
I don't know what is happening there. From what I see in the media, it looks like Israel is intentionally withholding aid as collective punishment to induce the release of the remaining Israeli hostages. The intent is not to kill all of the Palestinians so it wouldn't be genocide, but there is a terrible indifference to their well being.

Their war efforts do not have full governmental and societal backing, that is an extreme exaggeration.

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 11:39 pm
by Wetzelrad
ConfusedJew wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:14 pm Their war efforts do not have full governmental and societal backing, that is an extreme exaggeration.
November 2023, a survey by Tel Aviv University of 600 Israelis.
"How would you characterize the IDF's use so far of its firepower in Gaza?"
1.8% of Jews said it was too much firepower.
36.6% said it was appropriate.
57.5% said it was too little.

December 2023, a survey conducted by the Israel Democracy Institute.
"To what extent should Israel take into consideration the suffering of the civilian population in Gaza when planning the continuation of the fighting there?"
40% of Jews said "to a very small extent".
41% said "to a fairly small extent".

January 2024, poll by Israel's Channel 12.
72% of Israelis said "the entry of humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip must be stopped until the Israeli prisoners are released."

February 2024, IDI survey.
"Do you support or oppose the idea that Israel should allow the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza residents at this time, with food and medicines being transferred by international bodies that are not linked to Hamas or to UNRWA?"
68% of Israeli Jews oppose this.

March 2025, a survey by the Geocartography Knowledge Group of 1,000 Jewish Israelis.
82% support the expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza.
And from the same survey.
56% support the expulsion of ethnic Palestinians from Israel.

May 2025, a poll by Israel's Channel 13.
53% oppose allowing aid to enter Gaza.
34% support.

June 2025, from Hebrew University.
64% of Israelis believe "there are no innocents" in Gaza.

It seems like there is overwhelming support, especially among the Jewish part of the population, for killing, starving, and expelling all Palestinians. Periodically I see videos of Jews destroying food aid meant for Palestinians, and there's never any hint that this is frowned upon or punished. Sometimes they laugh as they do it.


Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 3:47 am
by ConfusedJew
Do you actually care about the lives of the Palestinians or do you just hate Jewish people?

Hamas is still holding 50 Israeli hostages and it's not clear how many of them are still alive although blocking humanitarian aid would be collective punishment.

Re: "Starvation Revisionism": Gaza and the Holocaust

Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2025 4:50 am
by Wetzelrad
Okay, but by blocking aid they are starving the hostages too. Meanwhile Israel is holding thousands of hostages themselves, since long before 2023. Many times more than 50 hostages. According to the twisted logic of Israelis it would be appropriate to render Israel into rubble because of this.

I guess you are conceding that this is not a small faction of Jews holding these views.