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Chief prosecutor for the US Richard Jackson cross examines Albert Speer at the IMT in Nuremberg on 21. June 1946 (https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/06-21-46.asp):

MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: And certain experiments were also conducted and certain researches conducted in atomic energy, were they not?

SPEER: We had not got as far as that, unfortunately, because the finest experts we had in atomic research had emigrated to America, and this had thrown us back a great deal in our research, so that we still needed another year or two in order to achieve any results in the splitting of the atom.

MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: The policy of driving people out who didn't agree with Germany hadn't produced very good dividends, had it?

SPEER: Especially in this sphere it was a great disadvantage to us.

MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it. The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; that it developed, the explosive developed, temperatures of from 400° to 500° centigrade and destroyed them without leaving any trace at all.

Do you know about that experiment?

Gems like this do not receive the attention they deserve from Revisionists. For instance, there is no entry for "atom bomb" or "nuclear weapon" in the Holocaust encyclopedia. In general, I think it is very useful to rub in such Holocaust claims that were later silently dropped. The question you can then always pose: If you admit that this claim is a lie, in what way is the evidence for those claims you still uphold superior? The "Vaporized by atom bomb" story is actually superior to the "gassing" story insofar as it provides an explanation for the lack of bodies.

How was that treated in the verdict, though?


The cop-out will be that it wasn't prosecuted further and dropped, hence the other accusations must be true....

Was it really necessary to be accused of anything specific to be put on trial - and sentenced - in Nuremberg? What specific crimes were, for instance, Hess or Streicher sentenced for?

Even more to the point, it is absolutely not necessary for claims leading to judicial consequences for the mainstream to adopt them. For instance, no one was ever put on trial for participating in the supposed Gleiwitz "False Flag" attack (By the way, I have posted a refutation of this in the WW2 section). A mere declaration filed at the Nuremberg Tribunal fully sufficed that this story was immediately accepted as gospel truth and made into a key plank of the official WW2 propaganda narrative.

Here is a rather bizzarre attempt to handwave this embarrassing episode away - it was Nazi propaganda!
https://www.nizkor.org/the-techniques-o ... mic-bombs/

PangaeaProxima wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 10:17 pm Was it really necessary to be accused of anything specific to be put on trial - and sentenced - in Nuremberg? What specific crimes were, for instance, Hess or Streicher sentenced for?

Even more to the point, it is absolutely not necessary for claims leading to judicial consequences for the mainstream to adopt them. For instance, no one was ever put on trial for participating in the supposed Gleiwitz "False Flag" attack (By the way, I have posted a refutation of this in the WW2 section). A mere declaration filed at the Nuremberg Tribunal fully sufficed that this story was immediately accepted as gospel truth and made into a key plank of the official WW2 propaganda narrative.

Here is a rather bizzarre attempt to handwave this embarrassing episode away - it was Nazi propaganda!
https://www.nizkor.org/the-techniques-o ... mic-bombs/

Wait, the Germans invented that story?



Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:59 pm
Wait, the Germans invented that story?



Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

The Jews accuse the Germans of having invented the legend of the Jewish soap as a way of tormenting the prisoners. Of course, that is what they say, as if they knew the truth beforehand or believed in the Nazis since they maintained it for decades.

The Holocaust was above all a means of making people believe in things beyond imagination without any correspondence in physics, everything was destroyed, it was the perfect crime but also the best documented in history.

There is another interesting aspect of this little episode: note the attempt by Speer to ingratiate himself by thrashing German capabilities (He was not the only defendant to try to use this tactic). That Germany was not able to build a nuclear weapon because of a lack of scientific expertise was of course not true, as Speer knew very well. In his autobiography, Speer writes about a briefing/conference on nuclear research he attended in 1942:

[Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs by Albert Speer p. 226]

"After the lecture I asked Heisenberg how nuclear physics could be applied to the manufacture of atom bombs. His answer was by no means encouraging. He declared, to be sure, that the scientific solution had already been found and that theoretically nothing stood in the way of building such a bomb. But the technical prerequisites for production would take years to develop, two years at the earliest, even provided that the program was given maximum support."

German scientists like Otto Hahn and Ilse Meitner had largely solved the basic problems of nuclear fission. It was simply a question of being willing and able to invest the considerable industrial resources needed to technically realize the bomb, and the resources put up by Germany (or Japan) were much less than those by the US, so of course they lagged behind. But scientific capabilities were never the issue.

In fact, Speer suggests that he deliberatedly acted to avoid having to maintain an expensive large-scale nuclear weapon project:

[Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs by Albert Speer p. 226]

"I was familiar with Hitler's tendency to push fantastic projects by making senseless demands, so that on June 23, 1942, I reported to him only very briefly on the nuclear-fission conference and what we had decided to do."

The preponderance of Jews in the US Manhattan project had nothing to do with supposed "Jewish Brilliance" as propaganda would like to make believe (The recent movie "Oppenheimer" comes to mind) but with the fact that gentile scientists had moral qualms to assist in the mass murder of civilians - something that Jews, who considered Non-Jews as not worthy of consideration, lacked.

PangaeaProxima wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 6:11 pm

... Do you know about that experiment?

It's worth reading the rest of the exchange, which continued as follows:

SPEER: No, and I consider it utterly improbable. If we had had such a weapon under preparation, I should have known about it. But we did not have such a weapon. It is clear that in chemical warfare attempts were made on both sides to carry out research on all the weapons one could think of, because one did not know which party would start chemical warfare first.

MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: The reports, then, of a new and secret weapon were exaggerated for the purpose of keeping the German people in the war?

In summary, Jackson claimed to have a report on nuked Jews "which was placed in [his] hands", but this report AFAIK is not in evidence. Speer replied immediately that the story is false, adding that they were conducting weapons research. Jackson then pivoted to a new topic, for no apparent reason and with no justification, to claim instead that the Germans were making propaganda about secret weapons.

Nizkor and other Jewish sources take from this that Jackson's report on nuked Jews must have originated from German propaganda, but that is not what Jackson or Speer said. Jackson fled the topic of nuked Jews to instead refer to weapons reports broadly. If Jackson intended to say that that specific report originated from German propaganda, he might have said so and offered some morsel of evidence to prove it. Instead there is nothing.

Speer continued further:

SPEER: That was the case mostly during the last phase of the war. From August, or rather June or July 1944 on I very often went to the front. I visited about 40 front-line divisions in their sectors and could not help seeing that the troops, just like the German people, were given hopes about a new weapon coming, new weapons and wonder-weapons which, without requiring the use of soldiers, without military forces, would guarantee victory. In this belief lies the secret why so many people in Germany offered their lives, although common sense told them that the war was over. They believed that within the near future this new weapon would arrive. I wrote to Hitler about it and also tried in different speeches, even before Goebbels’ propaganda leaders, to work against this belief. Both Hitler and Goebbels told me, however, that this was no propaganda of theirs but that it was a belief which had grown up amongst the people. Only in the dock here in Nuremberg, I was told by Fritzsche that this propaganda was spread systematically among the people through some channels or other, and that SS Standartenfiihrer Berg was responsible for it. Many things have become clear to me since, because this man Berg, as a representative of the Ministry of Propaganda, had often taken part in meetings, in big sessions of my Ministry, as he was writing articles about these sessions. There he heard of our future plans and then used this knowledge to tell the people about them with more imagination than truth.

And so he confirmed that propaganda-like rumors were circulating but that they did not originate from the state. It was only when he came to the IMT that he was told they originated from the Ministry of Propaganda.

One other item to address, poorly argued by Nizkor, is the hypothesis that Jackson regarded the nuked Jews story as German propaganda from the start. But if that was the case, why bring it up at all? Just prior to this, Jackson questioned Speer on gas warfare, gas experiments, and rockets, all real programs, and with no mention of propaganda. Nor would propaganda go toward proving any of the charges, so it wouldn't have served his case. The denials of nuclear experiments came entirely from Speer, while the claim that they happened came entirely from Jackson. Jackson was the one with this report. Jackson introduced it.

Therefore the most reasonable interpretation is that Jackson (or someone on his team) did believe in the nuked Jews story or believed that it would be sufficient to demonize the Germans. But he changed tack when Speer's stark denial made it embarassing. Most critically, the report is not in evidence and has not been made public, insofar as I'm aware.

PangaeaProxima wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 6:11 pmFor instance, there is no entry for "atom bomb" or "nuclear weapon" in the Holocaust encyclopedia.

There isn't, but it still appears in several entries, and the relevant portion of the IMT transcript is quoted here:
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/locat ... s/ohrdruf/