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Archie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:52 am Hoess on the first gassing in Krema I. Yet another howler.

Argument from incredulity. Again. What's the problem w/this description, in your opinion?

Numar, I will let Monsieur Pressac explain it to you.

RUDOLF HOESS describes one of the first gassings [of 900 Russian prisoners of war] at which he was present, in the morgue of Krematorium I (page 164). Two details are unlikely: the squeezing of 900 persons into 78.2m² and the “rapid” drilling of several holes in the ceiling to pour the Zyklon B. Drilling through 10 to 15cm of concrete was not a job that could be done on the spur of the moment.

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0127.shtml

Turning a morgue into a serviceable gas chamber is not a trivial task. You would need to seal up the room. Reinforce the doors. Figure out how you're going to ventilate it. Drilling through the concrete is not that easy. It would also leave a bunch of debris in the room which is supposed to look like a shower room. They did all this on a whim with no planning? They decided it while the prisoners were being unloaded? You actually believe this?

Archie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:29 am Numar, I will let Monsieur Pressac explain it to you.

RUDOLF HOESS describes one of the first gassings [of 900 Russian prisoners of war] at which he was present, in the morgue of Krematorium I (page 164). Two details are unlikely: the squeezing of 900 persons into 78.2m² and the “rapid” drilling of several holes in the ceiling to pour the Zyklon B. Drilling through 10 to 15cm of concrete was not a job that could be done on the spur of the moment.

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0127.shtml

Turning a morgue into a serviceable gas chamber is not a trivial task. You would need to seal up the room. Reinforce the doors. Figure out how you're going to ventilate it. Drilling through the concrete is not that easy. It would also leave a bunch of debris in the room which is supposed to look like a shower room. They did all this on a whim with no planning? They decided it while the prisoners were being unloaded? You actually believe this?

Again, argument from incredulity.

Argument from authority, the Holocaust is a consensus among historians

If their religious literature is full of holes and contradictions, what can we say about their persecutions and feats of survival?

Archie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:29 am Numar, I will let Monsieur Pressac explain it to you.

RUDOLF HOESS describes one of the first gassings [of 900 Russian prisoners of war] at which he was present, in the morgue of Krematorium I (page 164). Two details are unlikely: the squeezing of 900 persons into 78.2m² and the “rapid” drilling of several holes in the ceiling to pour the Zyklon B. Drilling through 10 to 15cm of concrete was not a job that could be done on the spur of the moment.

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0127.shtml

Turning a morgue into a serviceable gas chamber is not a trivial task. You would need to seal up the room. Reinforce the doors. Figure out how you're going to ventilate it. Drilling through the concrete is not that easy. It would also leave a bunch of debris in the room which is supposed to look like a shower room. They did all this on a whim with no planning? They decided it while the prisoners were being unloaded? You actually believe this?

There are a lot of unfounded assumptions going on here. The first is that the tasks of sealing the room, reinforcing the doors, ventilation, etc., were not already done. The quote from Höss only discusses the holes in the roof, not the other things. Those are your (perhaps Pressac's -- been a while since I've read him) interpolations.

Second, I'd want to see the Höss quote in the original German to determine two things: (1) how accurate a translation is "simply knocked holes through"; and (2) whether Höss actually stated that the holes were created as the Russians were being unloaded. Given the insert of "of the Russians" in brackets, I can assume it's not in the orignal, so I'd want to see the original to see what Höss actually said -- not what you (or Pressac) want to believe he said.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:51 pm Argument from authority, the Holocaust is a consensus among historians

If their religious literature is full of holes and contradictions, what can we say about their persecutions and feats of survival?

No one has argued that historians say it happened, therefore it happened.

It is evidence, not "religious literature" that proves the Holocaust. It is not anywhere near as "full of holes and contradictions" as revisionists make out. The primary narrative of Jews identified, arrested, taken to camps and ghettos and then many taken to certain specific camps where there was a worker selection process and those not needed for work were told they were going for showers, they undressed, got gassed, buried and cremated and their property taken for sale, is consistent with all the witnesses.

Still playing this game of selecting useful and useless people on the ramp leading to the camps? Just look for the existence of these useless people in the camp records, just look at Anne Frank and her sister, theoretically useless people surviving the camps and dying of typhus. It's not even worth going on about this nonsense without any documentation that will keep you on your feet, "there's more that witness said", "the camp commander said", even parrots can talk, did you know that?

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:24 pm Still playing this game of selecting useful and useless people on the ramp leading to the camps? Just look for the existence of these useless people in the camp records, just look at Anne Frank and her sister, theoretically useless people surviving the camps and dying of typhus.

When they arrived at Auschwitz, Anne and Margot Frank were not unhealthy and therefore suitable for work.

This is Holocaust 101. You should learn the history before you deny it.

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:32 pm

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:24 pm Still playing this game of selecting useful and useless people on the ramp leading to the camps? Just look for the existence of these useless people in the camp records, just look at Anne Frank and her sister, theoretically useless people surviving the camps and dying of typhus.

When they arrived at Auschwitz, Anne and Margot Frank were not unhealthy and therefore suitable for work.

This is Holocaust 101. You should learn the history before you deny it.

Their father and Elie Wisel were sick and did not go to take a “bath”, or those records of surgeries in the camp, I do not believe they were performed on healthy people. This is the flawed narrative of the Jews, like millions crossing the Sinai desert without leaving a trace.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:55 pm Their father and Elie Wisel were sick and did not go to take a “bath”

Wrong on both counts. Wiesel does not report being sick upon arrival at Auschwitz.

Otto Frank was in sick bay when the Soviets arrived but there's no indication he was sick when he arrived.

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:13 pm

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:55 pm Their father and Elie Wisel were sick and did not go to take a “bath”

Wrong on both counts. Wiesel does not report being sick upon arrival at Auschwitz.

Otto Frank was in sick bay when the Soviets arrived but there's no indication he was sick when he arrived.

Dude, stop with these mental gymnastics, you are distorting their own narrative, you are being revisionist in this, it was an extermination camp for you and your educators, it would not matter when they became ill, so 90% of those who were transported there were sick and that is why they died? I thought they were killed for being Jews, now it was simply because they were sick, so it was not genocide, it was simply an extension of Aktion T4.

But that is not what they say, they say that they were quickly evaluated on the ramp and only by observing their physical appearance, women, children and the elderly were sent to the gas chamber, they were not given tests to assess whether they were sick or not and only then were they given a “bath”. You are making this up to justify children and the elderly registered in the camp, the tens of thousands of surgeries prove that they should not have been cured but exterminated by gassing, now they can make their narrative adjustments but to convince acolytes and not me and people who use reason.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:26 pm Dude, stop with these mental gymnastics, you are distorting their own narrative, you are being revisionist in this, it was an extermination camp for you and your educators

No, dumbass. Auschwitz was a concentration camp. Birkenau was an extermination camp.

Learn something before opening your fool mouth.

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:49 pm

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:26 pm Dude, stop with these mental gymnastics, you are distorting their own narrative, you are being revisionist in this, it was an extermination camp for you and your educators

No, dumbass. Auschwitz was a concentration camp. Birkenau was an extermination camp.

Learn something before opening your fool mouth.

Where did I say about one or the other? Wasn't there a gas chamber in the Stammlager? Your despair only increases. You're lost in the narrative, so much so that you keep going off on tangents at the root of the narrative and keep saying that A isn't an extermination camp and B is.

Auschwitz was a camp that combined purposes. Birkenau did not. Moreover, over the course of time, extermination occurred more exclusively in the latter than the former.

This is very basic stuff. And don't project your despair onto me.

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:14 pm Auschwitz was a camp that combined purposes. Birkenau did not. Moreover, over the course of time, extermination occurred more exclusively in the latter than the former.

This is very basic stuff. And don't project your despair onto me.

The camp was expanded to accommodate 200,000 more prisoners, which is why there were barracks there. The gas chamber only exists in your own mind. Repeating the narrative of transferring the extermination site doesn't change anything. And the selections were purely administrative, as any shallow prison system does. No one mixes men and women in the same room.

The fact is that children, the elderly, and weak and thin women and men WOULD BE immediately killed upon arrival, and this is refuted by individuals registered in the camp who received complex hospital treatment.

And it's a good idea to mention me so that I can be informed of your responses so that it doesn't seem like I didn't respond and therefore accepted defeat. Otherwise, it's better to end the discussion.