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Re: Evidence and Implementation
Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 3:53 pm
by Nessie
Nazgul wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 1:59 pm
Nessie wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 1:40 pm
The context is the evidence of mass closures of ghettos and transports of people to the AR camps. Remember, I can evidence mass arrivals at the camps and that the camps nearby to the stops did not fill up with Jews, and instead, they also emptied.
You cannot evidence people getting off the trains and going to the camps near to the stops.
The first Warsaw transport of young men went to Bobrysk, several thousand of them. The stops along the way like Skyz Kam had up to 8 thousand workers. Sobibor witnesses mention they went to Skyz Kam on train. Trains do not stop for an hour at a time at any station unless it is for a purpose.
It takes 5 mins to fill a steam train full of water and coal or wood.
The stops were also to fit around scheduled trains, change guards and repair damaged carriages. You posted a description of a transport to Belzec, did you forget already? Cherry-picking transports that went to camps, does not evidence your claim of the AR camp transports dropping people off at camps. The only way you can support your belief, is to ignore a lot of evidence.
Re: Evidence and Implementation
Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 8:59 pm
by curioussoul
ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 1:18 am
curioussoul wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 9:08 pm
ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 4:34 pm
I'm being intellectually honest here, but I am personally not sure how you can explain away the testimony of all of the perpetrators. I can't imagine why the Nazis would testify against themselves while on trial. I find the counter arguments on this forum to be very interesting and thought provoking, but not compelling. But I'm here engaging in good faith so I'm curious where this will take us.
You're not being intellectually honest at all. Despite being corrected on multiple occasions, you've repeated the lie that there are "hundreds of thousands of witnesses" to the Holocaust, despite the actual number of eye-witnesses numbering barely 20 people. As for perpetrator confessions, I challenge you to name a perpetrator you find most convincing and then explain why that particular testimony is important.
This is factually wrong and I don't want to debate basic facts. There were 200 to 300,000 Jewish survivors of the camps. Many non Jewish prisoners like gay people, Roma, Jehovah's Witnesses who survived. There were thousands of Nazi survivors and tens of thousands of people who left testimony.
If you deny basic facts, there's really no point in having a discussion. I have no clue why you think there were barely 20 eye-witnesses but it's not even close to the truth.
https://apnews.com/article/holocaust-su ... e40e61c013
I'm baffled you still don't get this basic fact: people that lived in and survived Nazi concentration camps were not automatically "Holocaust witnesses". I'll repeat myself once more, the actual number of eyewitnesses to gassings, or to supposed extermination orders coming directly from top German leaders such as Himmler or Hitler, number in the 20's. The number of Jewish Sonderkommando witnesses literally number less than 20. Everyone recognizes this, except you, apparently.
Surely, that's not hard to grasp.
Re: Evidence and Implementation
Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 9:41 pm
by Nazgul
Nessie wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 3:53 pm
The stops were also to fit around scheduled trains, change guards and repair damaged carriages. You posted a description of a transport to Belzec, did you forget already? Cherry-picking transports that went to camps, does not evidence your claim of the AR camp transports dropping people off at camps. The only way you can support your belief, is to ignore a lot of evidence.
What nonsense, there are railway sidings so trains can pass each other. I am talking about fplo not the train to belzec which there is no known fplo. There are plenty of towns and cities, railway stations to stop but the trains stopped at the exact places of Jewish Labour Camps. You have not answered how you differentiate fplo for extermination purposes you purport and the fplo for servicing the labour camps.
Re: Evidence and Implementation
Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 8:23 am
by Nessie
Nazgul wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 9:41 pm
Nessie wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 3:53 pm
The stops were also to fit around scheduled trains, change guards and repair damaged carriages. You posted a description of a transport to Belzec, did you forget already? Cherry-picking transports that went to camps, does not evidence your claim of the AR camp transports dropping people off at camps. The only way you can support your belief, is to ignore a lot of evidence.
What nonsense, there are railway sidings so trains can pass each other. I am talking about fplo not the train to belzec which there is no known fplo. There are plenty of towns and cities, railway stations to stop but the trains stopped at the exact places of Jewish Labour Camps. You have not answered how you differentiate fplo for extermination purposes you purport and the fplo for servicing the labour camps.
An FPLO that serves a labour camp, will have that labour camp as its destination. Or, there will be evidence people got off transports, to go to the labour camps near to any of the stops the transport made. Got any evidence?
Re: Evidence and Implementation
Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 11:24 am
by Nazgul
Nessie wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 8:23 am
An FPLO that serves a labour camp, will have that labour camp as its destination. Or, there will be evidence people got off transports, to go to the labour camps near to any of the stops the transport made. Got any evidence?
What nonsense. Fplo 587 used by Hilberg to attest that Jews went to Treblinka has Treblinka as the final destination as well as all the other labour camps mentioned. The first part of the schedule from Sedziszow to Treblinka serviced 26 Jewish labour camps en route. The only stop which had no camp was Lukow which was a major railway junction, to other labour camps. You have been told many times that Alex Cohen from Sobibor arrived at Skarzysko Kam munitions factory by train which is on that line. This factory produced tnt for bombs with 8000 workers at any time.
Pretending that all the labour camps full of Jews were not serviced by trains is simple mindedness.
Do you think ants carried out the explosives?
Re: Evidence and Implementation
Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 12:11 pm
by Nessie
Nazgul wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 11:24 am
Nessie wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 8:23 am
An FPLO that serves a labour camp, will have that labour camp as its destination. Or, there will be evidence people got off transports, to go to the labour camps near to any of the stops the transport made. Got any evidence?
What nonsense. Fplo 587 used by Hilberg to attest that Jews went to Treblinka has Treblinka as the final destination as well as all the other labour camps mentioned. The first part of the schedule from Sedziszow to Treblinka serviced 26 Jewish labour camps en route. The only stop which had no camp was Lukow which was a major railway junction, to other labour camps. You have been told many times that Alex Cohen from Sobibor arrived at Skarzysko Kam munitions factory by train which is on that line. This factory produced tnt for bombs with 8000 workers at any time.
Pretending that all the labour camps full of Jews were not serviced by trains is simple mindedness.
Do you think ants carried out the explosives?
You have no evidence that the TII transports dropped prisoners off en route. There is evidence that contradicts your claim. You just make the same argument, ad nauseam.
Re: Evidence and Implementation
Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 12:25 pm
by Nazgul
Nessie wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 12:11 pm
You have no evidence that the TII transports dropped prisoners off en route. There is evidence that contradicts your claim. You just make the same argument, ad nauseam.
They were not TII transports. That is only in your very limited conception of events. The final destination was Treblinka railway station which shunted wagons to the arbeitslager T1 and two Judenlagers.
Here is Fplo 587; where does it mention a TII, it mentions a Treblinka. TII is the assumption within a mind of very limited cognitive ability. Note the train goes in both directions but normally clockwise via Malkinia. There must have been trains to take the rocks from the T1 quarry. It is likely that those wagons were added to any transport that came via shunting at Treblinka station which had at least 3 railway lines for the purpose.

Re: Evidence and Implementation
Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 2:13 pm
by Nessie
There are dozens of local Polish, German and Jewish witnesses to mass arrivals at TII, on transports from the ghettos. Hofle, Korherr, Stroop and Ganzenmuller all recorded mass arrivals.