On Pogroms

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I have no idea what you're talking about.
https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/acts/7.htm

From verse 43.

There are other references if you should like me to list them.
A bunch. It's sort of the story of the Old Testament, although I don't know whether Ba'al demanded human sacrifice. I mean, this is fiction, yes? We're not treating this like it's actual history, are we?
https://odysee.com/@ODIOUS:7/THE-GREAT- ... umentary:8

Well, yes, it is all fiction, but, that's a whole 'nother story...
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Numar Patru wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:08 am Curious to hear more about this “Jewish question” and what comprises it…
Numar you are so full of shit. This thread was started because you asked about the "JQ", or more broadly, the question of Anti-Semitism and how it seemingly results in persecution of your people. It seems you aren't the least bit interested in hearing about it though, because you keep deflecting to Christianity.

Whether Christians have inter-group conflict amongst themselves, or "hwite" people in (checks notes) ancient Crete practiced child sacrifice during the Bronze Age, has no bearing on what did or did not cause Pogroms in Eastern Europe and Tsarist Russia, between Jews and Non-Jews, holy shit the pilpul on display here will be studied for generations.

To answer your question as to what the "JQ" is - Antisemitism is caused by Semitism, specifically Jewish behaviour.
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Don’t be mad, bro! I’m just having a little fun here.

I’m sorry that you don’t underhand how analogies work. I won’t assume all hwite people are similarly challenged.

ETA: I talk about Christianity in discussions about antisemitism because it has been a 2,000-year-long highly consistent source of antisemitism.
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Fun?

Regarding Christians and their tenuous relationship with jews, dishonesty regarding jesus in the talmud doesn't help. Dr Schaefer was correct, honesty is important.

Again, we are told the disputation of Paris was fallacious in a world where 'jesus in the Talmud' exists.

/shrug
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What I find fascinating about people like you is your absolute inability to look at any situation beyond your own perspective.

Sure, there are nasty statements about Jesus in the Talmud. It would be amazing if there weren’t. Christianity began as a sect within Judaism and then far eclipsed the older religion as a faith in its own right. The guy responsible for that fact is likely going to take some flak. Plus, he was Jewish. So you have some rabbis giving their take about another Jewish person. Remember: they didn’t believe he was anyone special, nor were they under any obligation to. I get that Christians take offense to that, but the Jews of today don’t have any responsibility to answer for it.

None of the statements about Jesus in the Talmud has the weight of a single line from Matthew: “His blood on us and our children.” Put a line like that in the holy book of the world’s largest and, historically, most powerful faith, and you will have violent antisemitism.

This isn’t “both sides did it.” This is one side holding tremendous power over the other, the more powerful side being truly responsible for the crime, and that side then placing blame on the weaker side.
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Again, you mischaracterize me.

I said honesty was important.

I meant exactly that.

The dishonesty is a big part of the problem.
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The environment of 13th century France isn’t the best place for Jews to be honest about what’s in their writings. It’s not like the ambient conditions are great for them. The very fact of where these disputations took place and what the possible stakes were guaranteed a loss for the Jews involved even if they were 100% honest.
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The dishonesty continues today, go look at the disputation of Paris wiki.

Here's another point, we talk about 13th century France and how it wasn't conducive for jews to talk about their faith honestly...

Why live there?

To put up the ruse makes the jewish people look like a viper in the garden when the truth is inevitably exposed.
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And that truth is what?
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In answer to the question of why Jews should live in France, it’s likely they were there before Christians were. Why should they have to live somewhere else? Why do their religious books have to be audited when they don’t even proselytize?

Again, you don’t seem to be able to look at matters from any perspective other than your own.
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Again, it's the dishonesty. That's the problem. The dishonesty.

So far as jews being the original Parisians, let's just say I have my doubts about that.

So far as an audit of holy scripture, that really shouldn't be an issue.

Why live among a people for whom you hold a burning ember of contempt? Then, conceal this contempt? Then, cover up the concealment hundreds of years later on wikipedia?

Being honest, if I look at it from the other perspective, it looks even worse.
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Stubble wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 11:43 pm
So far as jews being the original Parisians, let's just say I have my doubts about that.
That’s not what I said. I said before Christians, not before everyone else.
Why live among a people for whom you hold a burning ember of contempt? Then, conceal this contempt? Then, cover up the concealment hundreds of years later on wikipedia?
Do you think a large Jewish population ended up in France by choice? You’re also overestimating the contempt the average Jew felt for Christians. I can assure you only a small minority of Jews ever study the Talmud.

Regarding Wikipedia, what reason do you have to think the version of events on Wikipedia is untrue?
Being honest, if I look at it from the other perspective, it looks even worse.
That’s because you think your own side is right. If I thought Jesus was the son of God or that hwite people are inherently virtuous or whatever, I’d probably agree.
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That’s because you think your own side is right. If I thought Jesus was the son of God or that hwite people are inherently virtuous or whatever, I’d probably agree
Beg your pardon? You have some more misconceptions about me. My my. How awkward.

I don't care what someone says about a dead jew on a stick. Not unlike Pontius Pilate, I wash my hands of what the jews choose to do with one another.

As a disinterested observer, I do not fail to notice how childish and trite it is to slander a dead man and to bind it in to holy scripture. It tells me something about the type of people who would do this.

Another thing I don't fail to notice is what the talmud says about me, and what jews say about me. You do understand that considering me a beast of the field kindles in me a type of contempt that is hard to define, do you not?

I also can't help but notice that the jewish religion has a rather odd rite for oathbreaking. Why would a culture do this? In my culture, an oathbreaker is one of the lowest forms of human filth. For the jew, this is not only tolerated, but, enabled, by their faith.

If the jew would stay in their eruv and keep their nose out of my affairs, that would be fine. They travel well outside their lane however and even seek to stifle my speech. They also want to remove my right to defense. This too kindles in me a type of contempt that is hard to define.

If jews think they are gods chosen people, that's fine with me, go, be gods chosen people, go, be jews, be the best jews you can be, far, far away from me.

If the jew thinks that some jew that was stuck to a stick boils in excrement, fine. Tell the world. Don't hold your tongue in certain company for profit. When you are exposed, it will come across poorly. Go, crow your hate for jesus. Scream it from dusk till dawn. That's fine. Don't be like a cat and try to cover it up.

The jewish branch of the human tree is twisted and only yields rotten fruit. How happy I would be to see this branch cut from my grove and put into it's own garden where it could be as childish and petulant as it liked, and produce the bitterest and most rotten fruit without me having to run across it.

Jewish culture is like a woman, cheating on her 5th husband, keeping up a wealth of lies, and wondering why she can't find a good man. Arrogant, petulant and destructive.
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Numar Patru wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:38 pm Don’t be mad, bro! I’m just having a little fun here.

I’m sorry that you don’t underhand how analogies work. I won’t assume all hwite people are similarly challenged.

ETA: I talk about Christianity in discussions about antisemitism because it has been a 2,000-year-long highly consistent source of antisemitism.
Christianity as a factor is overblown, imo, and it has been less and less relevant over time. In older sources like Chaucer or Thomas of Monmouth, we unsurprisingly see critiques of Jews expressed in religious terms, but we should not confuse the mode of expression and the root causes. Even in something like Martin Luther’s critique of Jews we see economic and other factors in play.

An excessive focus on Christianity ignores 1) tensions between Jews and non-Christians such as Pagans and Muslims, 2) the rising secular strain of “anti-Semitism” from the 19th century and beyond.

Some Jewish writers seem very attached to religious explanations. I have been puzzled to see Jewish authors like Wistrich trying to play up the supposed Christian roots of Hitler’s anti-Semitism. That is quite off base, imo.
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