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Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 11:37 am
by Stubble
Nessie, the interview with Dr Burton is worth watching and his testimony at the Zundel Trial is worth reading.

You expect me to sum up in a couple of short sentences for you what he spent an hour explaining?

Very well, conditions at the camp were 'pretty good' until they weren't, because of a lack of supplies, caused by logistical disruption, by allied bombing.

Inmates stole food from each other, the staff did not intentionally starve anyone. The communist kapos over the jews were the worst offenders in this regard.

The lack of running water, a result of allied bombing, led to many deaths.

The overcrowding from the consolidation of the concentration camps into Bergen Belsen made the situation absolutely untenable during the closing stage of the war as everything collapsed.

The death rate increased after the British took over the camp.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 12:21 pm
by Nessie
Stubble wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 11:37 am Nessie, the interview with Dr Burton is worth watching and his testimony at the Zundel Trial is worth reading.

You expect me to sum up in a couple of short sentences for you what he spent an hour explaining?
No, I expect you to evidence a bomb that hit a camp supply, or caused that supply to be delayed by a significanrt length of time.
Very well, conditions at the camp were 'pretty good' until they weren't, because of a lack of supplies, caused by logistical disruption, by allied bombing.
That applies to all across Germany, not just the camps.
Inmates stole food from each other, the staff did not intentionally starve anyone. The communist kapos over the jews were the worst offenders in this regard.
You think that, because you resolutely ignore the evidence of camp staff culpability.
The lack of running water, a result of allied bombing, led to many deaths.
Whose deaths? Be specific. You don't want to, because you would have to admit the Jewish prisoners suffered disproportionately, which cannot be attributed to the RAF.
The overcrowding from the consolidation of the concentration camps into Bergen Belsen made the situation absolutely untenable during the closing stage of the war as everything collapsed.
Deliberate overcrowding was not the fault of the RAF.
The death rate increased after the British took over the camp.
Indeed it did, but the British Army did not single out any group to get less food or water than any other group.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 12:28 pm
by Stubble
I simply provided a summation Nessie, per your request.

So far as providing evidence that bombs and allied strafing impaired logistics, Sir, how do you move train cars when your locomotives lay shattered in pieces having been attacked by RAF and USAAC fighters, pursuit aircraft and bombers?

How do you use trucks or even wagons to move the goods when anything that moves is unironically labeled a target of opportunity and to be destroyed?

You want evidence? It was allied policy Sir.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 1:04 pm
by Nessie
Stubble wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 12:28 pm I simply provided a summation Nessie, per your request.

So far as providing evidence that bombs and allied strafing impaired logistics, Sir, how do you move train cars when your locomotives lay shattered in pieces having been attacked by RAF and USAAC fighters, pursuit aircraft and bombers?

How do you use trucks or even wagons to move the goods when anything that moves is unironically labeled a target of opportunity and to be destroyed?

You want evidence? It was allied policy Sir.
It was not Allied policy to cut off supplies only for Jewish prisoners. It was for camp staff and Kapos.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 1:10 pm
by Stubble
That's also not what you asked me.
Can you cite a specific document or witness statement, in one of the videos, of a bomb that was dropped from a plane, that hit or delayed a supply to B-B, that was the direct cause of deaths at the camp?
No, I expect you to evidence a bomb that hit a camp supply, or caused that supply to be delayed by a significanrt length of time.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 1:40 pm
by Nazgul
Stubble wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 1:10 pm That's also not what you asked me, asshole.
Can you cite a specific document or witness statement, in one of the videos, of a bomb that was dropped from a plane, that hit or delayed a supply to B-B, that was the direct cause of deaths at the camp?
No, I expect you to evidence a bomb that hit a camp supply, or caused that supply to be delayed by a significanrt length of time.
Not a good idea to get emotional using pejoratives. Much of the events are unknown due to people being killed, the rout of civilization in traumatic situations. Most people would understand the situation, especially those who have experienced a natural disaster; this is lost on this poster. He is deliberately focussing in on details which is not there to prop his own lack of knowledge. Most people do not do this. This is the man called AirFixGeneral who fell down an escalator and had brain injury. Dont waste finger time responding to him (some think her?). It is trolling behaviour.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 3:24 pm
by Stubble
Fair, I'll work on refining my posts Sir.

In the meantime, I suppose I should edit that one and remove the offending language.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 10:34 pm
by Nazgul
Stubble wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 3:24 pm Fair, I'll work on refining my posts Sir.

In the meantime, I suppose I should edit that one and remove the offending language.
It is Nessie's posts that are trolling not yours. He has the same pattern of chasing his own tail like a rabid dog, changing all topics to evidencing, when it is evidence being discussed, for many many Moons.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 11:21 pm
by Stubble
That's as may be, but, you raise a valid point about my use of the pejorative, it was unnecessary and without it, the post is still clear.

I will endeavor to do better.

I apologize for the side track.

We can carry on talking about Bergen Belsen.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 12:27 pm
by Nazgul
Stubble wrote: Fri May 16, 2025 11:21 pm We can carry on talking about Bergen Belsen.
Not all about the camps was death, though not on anyones bucket list to visit.
Female inmates at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp collect loaves of bread after being liberated in April 1945.
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BTW an identical building to this one was claimed to be a gaskammer für Juden.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 1:14 pm
by Stubble
Wait a minute, that storage building! It is a criminal trace of a gas chamber! I know, because Pressac said so in his 'Technique'.

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 1:41 pm
by Nazgul
Stubble wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 1:14 pm Wait a minute, that storage building! It is a criminal trace of a gas chamber! I know, because Pressac said so in his 'Technique'.
I was referring to this one at Majdanek.
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Majdanek bath and gas chambersBuilding housing bath and gas chambers at the Majdanek concentration camp and extermination camp, Lublin, Poland.
Britannica

Re: Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 1:52 pm
by Stubble
Nazgul wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 1:41 pm
Stubble wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 1:14 pm Wait a minute, that storage building! It is a criminal trace of a gas chamber! I know, because Pressac said so in his 'Technique'.
I was referring to this one at Majdanek.
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Majdanek bath and gas chambersBuilding housing bath and gas chambers at the Majdanek concentration camp and extermination camp, Lublin, Poland.
Britannica
The allies were absolutely demented forcing the internees to collect bread inside the deadly gas chambers of Bergen Belsen!