The CODOH Revisionist Forum

bombsaway wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2026 3:28 pm

R: In 2019, the first English edition of Carlo Mattogno’s massive work on the Einsatzgruppen appeared, showing in minute detail how unreliable and contradictory the reports of the Einsatzgruppen are (Chapters 4&5 of Vol. 1 in Mattogno 2022c).

L: And he’s rather apologetic about the murders that did occur, I might say.

R:Well, he argues that here was no Nazi policy to murder Jews as Jews, but that they were executed as the main “fertile breeding ground of Bolshevism” (Mattogno 2022c, p. 757; see his entire Chapter 2 of Vol. 1).

L: I can’t see a moral or legal difference whether Jews get indiscriminately slaughtered because they are Jews or because I declare them to be the mainstay of Bolshevism. At the end, they were murdered, and that’s what counts.

R:That’s quite right. Moreover, the claim that “the Jews” were the base and backbone of Soviet power is a mere unproven assertion. Mattogno quotes many reports of the Einsatzgruppen making such assertions (Subchapter 3.6. of Vol. 1), and he gives the impression that he takes them at face value. Even if the local populace confirmed to the men of the Einsatzgruppen that Jews were the linchpin of Soviet power, how can anyone be sure that this was indeed true? Maybe the Germans were only hearing from the local populace what that populace thought the Germans wanted to hear? After all, anyone disagreeing with the German scapegoating of the Jews would have been unlikely to walk up to them and set the record straight, would they?

L: There is also quite a difference between some Jews being important to Soviet power and then blaming all Jews for what some of them did.

R: Indeed. In this regard, Mattogno’s book leaves behind a bad taste. It sounds like apologetic sophistry


R:.....The second part of Mattogno’s book on the “Aktion 1005” is
much more rewarding in this regard, as he demonstrates with many examples the
ridiculous nature of eyewitness claims on the alleged cremation of the murdered
victims on huge pyres (Vol. 2 of 2022c). These accounts resemble the technically
impossible nonsense commonly found in witness testimonies about the alleged
outdoor cremations in the various extermination camps.

L: So it’s all bunk?

R: No, I don’t think so. But it is probably safe to say that these accounts are all in-
fused with inventions and exaggerations of war-time propaganda, but still, the core
of it could be true. The question is merely: how big is that core?
The last word about this topic has not yet been spoken, not among revisionists
either, in spite of Mattogno’s massive tome. Ultimately, only thorough and inde-
pendent forensic investigations of any and all mass graves located could settle the
matter, although the more times passes, the more difficult it will be to come to any
conclusions with certainty. But this is unlikely to ever happen.

HansHill wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2026 4:48 pm

> Thinks he can post half the quote
> Thinks he can remove the context unfavourable to him
> Thinks nobody will notice
> Thinks he will get away with it

bombsaway wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2026 4:56 pm topic - which is the genocide , not whether kill counts were inflated or the 1005 stories are bunk

HansHill wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2026 7:15 pm

bombsaway wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2026 4:56 pm topic - which is the genocide , not whether kill counts were inflated or the 1005 stories are bunk

The topic, is in fact, fabrication of documents. The part you tried to omit but I caught you, specifically relates to the falsity of accounts (via invention and exaggeration) and calls for more forensic investigation to be done. His conclusion;

bodies in the ground > words on a page

But nice try, i guess

bombsaway wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2026 7:51 pm
Even Germar seems to acknowledge the reality of the genocide

Archie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2026 2:11 am

bombsaway wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2026 7:51 pm
Even Germar seems to acknowledge the reality of the genocide

Do you not understand things on purpose?

pilgrimofdark wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2026 10:19 pm There were so many fake, fabricated, forged German and Polish documents being produced -- just for false IDs -- that the USHMM has in its permanent collection a "Large wooden crate used by Żegota to hide false documents" (23.250 inches x 40.625 inches x 20.375 inches).

At the Schlier camp all the workers (about a thousand) were Jewish graphic or lithographic experts. They were employed on printing forged foreign currency, passports, permits, etc. of all countries.

Archie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2026 3:11 pm The Germans actually employed Jews on the "forgery detail" at the Schlier camp in Austria (AKA the Redl-Zipf camp).

The staples in Soviet soldier IDs were made of iron and rusted spots would appear on the pages of the IDs around the staples. Although the printing work and paper in the forged German-made IDs were almost identical to those in the real IDs, staples in the forged IDs were made of stainless steel and the IDs did not have the rusted spots, and this feature was immediately recognized by SMERSH officers.

- Vadim Birstein, SMERSH: Stalin's Secret Weapon, p. 242.

Abakumov was ordered to prepare Bulgarian witnesses, while Merkulov’s duties included preparing Soviet medical experts, medical documents (which were forged), and a German witness. Vyshinsky was placed in charge of a documentary film about the [Katyn] massacre, and USSR Chief Prosecutor Safonov was responsible for preparing Polish witnesses. Since this was a plan involving massive falsification, it is possible that Zorya opposed it.

- Vadim Birstein, SMERSH: Stalin's Secret Weapon, p. 393.