The CODOH Revisionist Forum

bombsaway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 3:42 pm this was my post, not responded to

bombsaway wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:15 pm My argument more deals with the failure of revisionists to explain the findings.

We can see similar reports [Kola's] for... Sobibor:

Grave no 1 is located in the north - eastern part of hectare 17, just west from the memorial to victims. The site was excavated by 27 drills. Horizontally, it measures 20 x 20 m and is up to 4.30 m deep. It was a body burning grave.

Grave no 2 is located in the western part of the hectare 17, south from the memorial. It was excavated by 28 drills. Horizontally its shape is irregular, measuring at least 20 x 25 m – with its longer side in NS position – and with depth up to 4 metres. It was a body burning grave.

Grave no 3 is located in the south- western part of hectare 11 and north - western part of hectare 17. It was excavated by 17 drills. Horizontally, it's irregular, measuring around 20 x 12 m - with its longer side in NS position. The biggest part of the grave is located under north - western part of the memorial. It’s up to 5.80 m deep. In bottom layers, the grave is bony, with human remains in wax- fat transformation. The upper layers are a mixture of burnt body remains with layers of lime stone, sand and charcoal. The northern part of the grave is located near to northern part of the grave no 4. The more precise location of the graves requires additional research.

Grave no 4. It’s a grave with significant size, located in southern part of hectare 11, as well as northern and central parts of hectare 18. It was excavated by 78 drills. Horizontally, in NS position, it measures 70 x 20-25 m with the depth of around 5m. In bottom layers the grave is bony, with human remains in wax-fat transformation. The upper layers are a mixture of burnt body remains with layers of lime stone, sand and charcoal.

Grave no 5. It’s not a very vast grave, located in the north-western part of hectare 18. It was excavated by 7 drills. Horizontally, it's irregular, measuring at least 10 x 12 m, with its depth up to 4.90 m. In its bottom layers the grave is bony, with human remains in wax-fat transformation. In the upper layers – burnt body remains.

Grave no 6. It’s located in the central part of hectare 18, south from grave no 5. It was excavated by 22 drills. Horizontally, it’s irregular, measuring at least 15 x 25 m, with its depth up to 3.05 m. In its bottom layers the grave is bony, with human remains in wax-fat transformation. The upper layers - burnt body remains.

Grave no 7. Location of body burning activity, measuring at least 10 x 3 m, with its depth up to 0.90 m, in the central part of hectare 18, around 10-12 m south from the southern side of grave 4. The vast majority of burnt body remains were found in 6 drills. Around, vast ground transformation of an uncertain genesis. Only because of the burnt body remains found, the structure was thought of as a grave. In order to state the function of the place more accurately, further archaeological research needs to be conducted.

There is something that pretty much everyone here is missing, and that is the fact that at the time of Kola's Sobibor "archaeological investigation," the "ash mound" was still being alleged as one of the "huge mass graves" of Sobibor. Thus, if we are to investigate Kola's "findings" we have to look at the "ash mound" (we will call it "huge mass grave #8) as well.

bombsaway wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:15 pm
I'll highlight grave number 4, 70 x 22.5 meters area and 5 meters deep. For those used to US units that's 230 by 75 and 16 feet deep. The size of a school.... this evidence is damning... and it's a fact... In terms of revisionist narrative, for the bigger question (of why did archeologists find what they found?) we have nada.

If it really is "a fact" bombsaway, then how come this statement of fact:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 91 graves / cremation pits in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these four sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

can be LEGALLY established as fact in a U.S. court?

1 - Does the "ash mountain / huge mound of human remains" actually CONTAIN human remains? (And you know for a fact that I'm not talking about the bones in the display cases in the wall of the mound - don't you Yoram?)

Yes or No?

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Hi Greg

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for question number 1 the answer is YES.

Yoram

Comment by the low IQ mentally ill freak Roberto Muehlenkamp:

The "mealy-mouthed, obfuscating BS" that Gerdes refers to is obviously my having frequently reminded him that under the circumstances it’s up to him to provide evidence demonstrating or suggesting that the mound, located at a place where all known evidence shows a great many people to have been reduced to ashes and other partial remains, does not contain human ashes as all related evidence suggests its does, and not the other way round... What Prof. Kola’s 2001 investigation did so far was to provide further if unnecessary corroboration of the accuracy of the documentary and eyewitness evidence, even though, due to a conflict between Prof. Kola and the government entity that commissioned his work, little of this valuable documentation of the physical evidence has so far been released to the public. When this conflict is overcome and a detailed report about this investigation is published...

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... pdate.html

Mr. Gerdes:

Yes MrNobody - NO EVIDENCE AT ALL.

NOT ONE single pit where the remains of the "ash mountain / huge mound of human remains." allegedly came from. The dull one seems to think that it's possible for a mountain to just appear magically. If the mountain was made from collected soil above the ground, that soil / remains obviously had to have been dug up out of pits from below ground. In this way, the dull one is trying to get by with an "explaination" for the existence of a huge mound without having to show where the corresponding huge pit or series of small pits came from. (It must be nice to live in Wonderland huh?)

And not one single photo of the "ash mountain / huge pile of human remains" construction. Not one single report of the original discovery of the alleged remains of tens of thousands of jews...

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... pdate.html

All captioned photos showing this mound of ash, while not necessarily if at all describing it as "huge" or as a "mountain", refer to it as being made up of or containing human ash. Photos of this mound include, without limitation, the photos shown under item IV.2.3 in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p= ... tcount=777 and those shown under the following links:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/gal ... or039.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/gal ... or040.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/gal ... or043.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/gal ... or082.html

The aspect of the substance that the mound consists of, which has a light gray coloration different from the light-brown color of the soil at Sobibor (see photos mentioned in answer B.3 above) suggests the accuracy of captions describing this mound as a mound consisting of or containing human ashes...

The conclusion that the mound in question is comprised of human ash is thus the conclusion that is borne out by all known evidence and belied by none. It is also the conclusion towards which various sources of evidence independent of each other converge. This convergence of various sources of evidence independent of each other, alone or together with the absence of any evidence to the contrary, is proof that the mound in question is comprised of human ash.

The human ashes that the mound at Sobibor is comprised of may have been dug out of one of more of the pits discovered by Prof. Kola in 2001. They were probably brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging, which would mean it is impossible to determine which of the grave pits contained these specific ashes... because it clearly shows what my assumption regarding the origin of the ashes that make up the Sobibor ash mound was: human ashes brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging were collected by the people in charge of the Sobibor memorial site and put together into this ash mound.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... chive.html

Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:41 pm Even if it contains human remains, they do not form the bulk of the installation.