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Nessie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 7:39 am The Ganzenmuller Letter refers to transports to Treblinka and the other AR camps, so that is TII. The Hofle Telegram refers to "T" and that it is recording arrivals at the AR camps, so again, that is TII. The Fplo are transports as the ghettos were being emptied, which was the first part of AR. The next was transportation to camps and the final act was gassing the people and stealing all of their property, which was bundled up at TII and sent to Lublin and Majdanek for grading, sorting and selling. That version, unlike yours, or any other revisionist suggestion of what happened inside TII, is fully evidenced.

Interestingly the letter allegedly sent by Ganzemuller has little knowledge of the workings of his railway. He was state secretary of the Reich's Transportation Ministry. In this letter he mentions the transports to Treblinka and the other two. What is interesting is that he starts with Warsaw, Malkinia and then Treblinka. Fplo 567 has the train leaving from Tschentoschau (Częstochowa), stops at 3 locations then two places in Warsaw. Stops at another 3 places then Tluszcz ( major railway junction), Malkinia then Treblinka station.
While the Fplo documents all have Treblinka as the final destination the starting locations are different, even within the same document. Ganzenmuller is wrongly stating that the starting point was Warsaw.
Fplo 587 has Sedziszow, Szydlowiec or Kozienice as the starting point and in fact does not mention Warsaw at all.

Fplo 548 has Warschau Danz as the starting point. Warschau Danziger is also known as Warszawa Gdańska. Interesting 2.5 km from this station is a major railway junction for trains going to and from all areas of Poland.
Fplo 567 has Tschenstochau (Częstochowa) as the starting point Warsaw railway junctions stopped at along the way.
Flpo 565 has Lukow as the starting point with no mention of Warsaw.

The letter also fails to discuss Fplo transports going via other routes to the destination, via Siedlce.

Nazgul wrote: ↑Wed Mar 19, 2025 8:29 am ...Interestingly the letter allegedly sent by Ganzemuller has little knowledge of the workings of his railway. He was state secretary of the Reich's Transportation Ministry. In this letter he mentions the transports to Treblinka and the other two. What is interesting is that he starts with Warsaw, Malkinia and then Treblinka. Fplo 567 has the train leaving from Tschentoschau (Częstochowa), stops at 3 locations then two places in Warsaw. Stops at another 3 places then Tluszcz ( major railway junction), Malkinia then Treblinka station.
While the Fplo documents all have Treblinka as the final destination the starting locations are different, even within the same document. Ganzenmuller is wrongly stating that the starting point was Warsaw.
Fplo 587 has Sedziszow, Szydlowiec or Kozienice as the starting point and in fact does not mention Warsaw at all.

Fplo 548 has Warschau Danz as the starting point. Warschau Danziger is also known as Warszawa Gdańska. Interesting 2.5 km from this station is a major railway junction for trains going to and from all areas of Poland.
Fplo 567 has Tschenstochau (Częstochowa) as the starting point Warsaw railway junctions stopped at along the way.
Flpo 565 has Lukow as the starting point with no mention of Warsaw.

The letter also fails to discuss Fplo transports going via other routes to the destination, via Siedlce.

The Ganzenmueller Letter is dated 28th July 1942, when TII had only been operating and receiving transports for 6 days. All of those transports had come from Warsaw. Warsaw ghetto transports made up the vast majority of transports to the camp in its first four weeks of operation.

Of course there were mass transportations. 100 thousand ghetto dwellers had perished of disease, most likely typhus. The transportations out of the ghetto would be an attempt to save the survivors. There were two judenlagers attached to the arbeitslager TI. I have little doubt that like Sobibor any invalid, very sick people would be sent to the afterlife.

Obviously inmates and staff came to and from the arbeitslager including the 2 attached Judenlagers, they would be on trains. If the trains came from Malkinia, it would continue with such people to Siedlce and that is true conversely. There is no evidence I can find of the TI inmates leaving after they have done their time, yet they did, thousands of them. Similarly, there is no evidence of Jews leaving the two judenlagers. It is highly likely that the current TII contained the two judenlagers.
If rocks and people can leave the arbeitslager quarry, without current evidence existing, then the Judenlager (TII) a short distance away on the same spur line could leave on the same transports. If the rocks could not leave the quarry, there is little point of having a quarry. The rocks would be essential for roads and rail ballast.

Warsaw ghetto transports made up the vast majority of transports to the camp in its first four weeks of operation.

That is about 140 000 people; a new camp needs people, not that many. Skarzysko-Kamienna was established in August 1942, a few weeks after Treblinka opened. A major munitions factory which needed about 30 000 Jews for the few years it existed. Another story, another reality is emerging from the fog.

Nessie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:36 am

WW2History wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:20 pm So you believe 312,500 Jews were murdered in Treblinka merely "during the first five weeks of the killing operation"

and yes I the Höfle document states that 713,555 were deported to Treblinka up until the end of 1942.

I am not like revisionists, who cannot actually revise the history of the camp, due to a lack of evidence of it being a transit/hygiene/customs/property sorting camp. I believe in what is evidenced, with mass transports to the camp, mass killings and the people's property stolen to be sold.

Okay please do not give me a non-answer.

Do you agree with the cited Historian that 320,000 died IN 5 WEEKS, yes or no?

WW2History wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:24 am

Nessie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:36 am

WW2History wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:20 pm So you believe 312,500 Jews were murdered in Treblinka merely "during the first five weeks of the killing operation"

and yes I the Höfle document states that 713,555 were deported to Treblinka up until the end of 1942.

I am not like revisionists, who cannot actually revise the history of the camp, due to a lack of evidence of it being a transit/hygiene/customs/property sorting camp. I believe in what is evidenced, with mass transports to the camp, mass killings and the people's property stolen to be sold.

Okay please do not give me a non-answer.

Do you agree with the cited Historian that 320,000 died IN 5 WEEKS, yes or no?

It is evidenced that c320,000 died in 5 weeks and I agree with claims that are corroboratively evidenced.

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:27 am It is evidenced that c320,000 died in 5 weeks and I agree with claims that are corroboratively evidenced.

There is little point repeating this when it is that evidence that is under discussion.

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:27 am

WW2History wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:24 am

Nessie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 9:36 am

I am not like revisionists, who cannot actually revise the history of the camp, due to a lack of evidence of it being a transit/hygiene/customs/property sorting camp. I believe in what is evidenced, with mass transports to the camp, mass killings and the people's property stolen to be sold.

Okay please do not give me a non-answer.

Do you agree with the cited Historian that 320,000 died IN 5 WEEKS, yes or no?

It is evidenced that c320,000 died in 5 weeks and I agree with claims that are corroboratively evidenced.

Care to explain how this was feasibly carried out, and were they all buried in mass graves or cremated? With 130 SS and 500-700 Sonderkommando of which at least for the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, were caught lying in their own testimonies with many contradictions.

Nazgul wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 9:05 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:27 am It is evidenced that c320,000 died in 5 weeks and I agree with claims that are corroboratively evidenced.

There is little point repeating this when it is that evidence that is under discussion.

You believe 300,000 were killed in 5 weeks?

WW2History wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:31 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:27 am

WW2History wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:24 am

Okay please do not give me a non-answer.

Do you agree with the cited Historian that 320,000 died IN 5 WEEKS, yes or no?

It is evidenced that c320,000 died in 5 weeks and I agree with claims that are corroboratively evidenced.

Care to explain how this was feasibly carried out, and were they all buried in mass graves or cremated? With 130 SS and 500-700 Sonderkommando of which at least for the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, were caught lying in their own testimonies with many contradictions.

To save Nessie some time, I will provide his pat answer to questions like this.

'Yes, we know that it happened because it is evidenced to have happened. You obviously don't understand evidencing. While eyewitnesses may be colorful in their testimony, the nazis were matter of fact.'

'If you can't figure it out, that's just an argument from incredulity, we know that it happened because it is evidenced to have happened'.

This will be the nature of his reply.

Stubble wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:37 pm

WW2History wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:31 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:27 am

It is evidenced that c320,000 died in 5 weeks and I agree with claims that are corroboratively evidenced.

Care to explain how this was feasibly carried out, and were they all buried in mass graves or cremated? With 130 SS and 500-700 Sonderkommando of which at least for the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, were caught lying in their own testimonies with many contradictions.

To save Nessie some time, I will provide his pat answer to questions like this.

'Yes, we know that it happened because it is evidenced to have happened. You obviously don't understand evidencing. While eyewitnesses may be colorful in their testimony, the nazis were matter of fact.'

'If you can't figure it out, that's just an argument from incredulity, we know that it happened because it is evidenced to have happened'.

This will be the nature of his reply.

I believe the Germar quote is a proper response then. If 100 witnesses and 100 confessions state that the moon is made of green cheese or that 870,000 corpses can be burned within a few months without fuel and without leaving traces, both assertions being of a similar intellectual quality, then we have to conclude—in light of all the forensic evidence—that the witnesses and the defendants are wrong.

I don't care how many people saw Wendy riding her broomstick, it never happened.

He will call that a logical fallacy from incredulity and also a false equivalence.

He will double down on it being 'evidenced'.

He will say you have fallen for 'the deneir hoax' and tell you you don't understand evidencing.

/shrug

Stubble wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:37 pm

WW2History wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:31 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 7:27 am

It is evidenced that c320,000 died in 5 weeks and I agree with claims that are corroboratively evidenced.

Care to explain how this was feasibly carried out, and were they all buried in mass graves or cremated? With 130 SS and 500-700 Sonderkommando of which at least for the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, were caught lying in their own testimonies with many contradictions.

There is no contradiction between the witnesses who worked at TII, regarding the main process of mass arrivals, property removal and sorting, gassings, mass graves and later, mass cremations. Even in the detail, there are few contradictions and they are explainable by eyewitness versus hearsay testimony, with the eyewitness being more accurate and consistent.

TII was set up to take up to 10,000 a day, as trains were shunted in and out of the camp's station, with people being herded into a large barracks building area and told to strip for a shower. Naked, they were then herded to the gas chambers. Witness vary as to how many were gassed and how long a gassing took. The corpses were removed to mass graves and then later, graves were exhumed and the corpses cremated.

There is nothing that is not possible and Stubble handily explains why having doubts do not prove gassings did not happen.

To save Nessie some time, I will provide his pat answer to questions like this.

'Yes, we know that it happened because it is evidenced to have happened. You obviously don't understand evidencing. While eyewitnesses may be colorful in their testimony, the nazis were matter of fact.'

'If you can't figure it out, that's just an argument from incredulity, we know that it happened because it is evidenced to have happened'.

This will be the nature of his reply.

Correct. Evidencing and logic prove I am correct and all revisionist/deniers are wrong.

Stubble wrote: ↑Fri Mar 21, 2025 10:42 pm I don't care how many people saw Wendy riding her broomstick, it never happened.

He will call that a logical fallacy from incredulity and also a false equivalence.

He will double down on it being 'evidenced'.

He will say you have fallen for 'the deneir hoax' and tell you you don't understand evidencing.

/shrug

Your logical thinking is very poor. Riding a broomstick is physically impossible. Germans operating a death camp to murder thousands a day, is not. You have used a false analogy. A correct analogy would be Inca pyramids. We have little idea how they built them and they are incredible structures for people with primitive tools and no wheel, but they are evidenced to have happened.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 22, 2025 7:56 am Riding a broomstick is physically impossible.

Not in some worlds.

Yet some still try.

The thinking of some without real reflection, the constant repeats fall into the bottom image; this included the Klowns at Skeptics forum. The first picture is of course fiction, much like the alleged holocaust.

Nessie, I was trying to save you some time.

As I had already outlined what you would say, actually saying it was completely unnecessary.

Are you familiar with the expression 'an empty cart makes a lot of noise'?