Where Myths Meet Their Demise
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this seems to be a reply to my previous post here viewtopic.php?p=845#p846TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:36 pm Your mindset is that if there are people with tickets to a show and the person is not located afterwards, it can only mean that they were gassed at the event and then cremated since the event did not document their departure. In other words, based on this circumstantial evidence, we must take the organizers to the scaffold.
I think objectively, only one side in this debate has direct evidence for their primary claims.
Paper Jews tend to disappear; this is why they appear to be fabricated, you know the unexpected rise of population numbers by about 6 million in the early 1900s.
This is a fabrication. Many Jews perished in WWI, the men conscripted (Sanning). Since 1945 to current times, the world Jewish population has risen roughly 4 million in 75 years or 53.5 thousand a year. Yet we are expected to believe that between 1700 - 1939 (230 years) the Jewish world births were 26 million or 113 thousand a year. What was in the water they were drinking I wonder; it certainly not in the water these days or since 1945. These figures do not take into regard the natural attrition by death, which would double the birth rate to maintain the population figures. In 230 years most of those people would have died.The world Jewish population more than doubled from 1700 to 1800, reaching 2.7 million. The next one hundred years witnessed a more than threefold increase, as the world Jewish population reached 8.7 million in 1900—and then doubled again by 1939.
Are you alleging that hidden away are the testimonies of over a million Jews, who speak to being transited through the AR camps to camps in the east, whom the Soviets then liberated in 1944-5?Archie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:39 pm Nessie,
Citation: Marina Sorokina, "People and Procedures: Toward a History of the Investigation of Nazi Crimes in the USSR," Kritika: Explorations in Russian and Eurasian History 6, 4 (Fall 2005): 1–35 (quote from pg 5)According to the calculations of the ChGK, around 32,000 public representatives took part in determining the facts about Nazi war crimes, and more than 7 million Soviet citizens directly collected and prepared documents for the ChGK, which in turn read through more than 54,000 statements and more than 250,000 protocols of witness interrogations and declarations of Nazi crimes, as well as approximately 4 million documents on the damage caused by the Nazis. The documentary evidence collected in the framework of the ChGK and the 27 published “Reports” were widely used in diplomatic notes of the Soviet People’s Commissariat of Foreign Affairs and at the various Allied peace conferences of the war years.
And just to further underscore the points I made earlier, only a very tiny number of these witness statements were ever published. Not only will they skew thing by coming in with predetermined conclusions about gas chambers etc they also presumably highlighted only those testimonies most in line with their narratives.
No. That they disappear from the records, is circumstantial evidence that corroborates the direct evidence of eyewitnesses to gassings. Corroborative evidence convicted the Nazis.TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 10:36 pm Your mindset is that if there are people with tickets to a show and the person is not located afterwards, it can only mean that they were gassed at the event and then cremated since the event did not document their departure. In other words, based on this circumstantial evidence, we must take the organizers to the scaffold.
It appears that the transit through AR camps is mainly within your mind, and it is a hypothesis. Current information shows that Jews were sent back from the east to work in labour camps for Jews, especially as the course of the war changed.
We have been discussing millions of Polish records going missing, the existence which would support or fail to support current hypothesis, you are a part of that discussion. The missing records are highly correlated with the actions of the Extraordinary Commission activities. Who else could organize a systematic collection plan of documents, and hide or destroy. Show us where the nazis were convicted of gassing people, specifically Jews, as say against "crimes against humanity."
I've read somewhere that if it weren't for pogroms and the Holocaust, their population today would be over 200 million.Nazgul wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:18 amPaper Jews tend to disappear; this is why they appear to be fabricated, you know the unexpected rise of population numbers by about 6 million in the early 1900s.
I have added a yellow line which roughly is the line of best fit from modern data back extrapolated to the 1880, one can see where the population of the Jews should be in 1939. The modern data shows a linear rise in Jewish populations, which does fit with a simple algebraic forumula. Somehow, the Jewish population reached some unrealistic maximum in 1939. From 1880 to that point the slope of the graph is rather steep, (orange line) which is back extrapolated would mean no Jews existed at about the mid 600s, where the line reaches zero.
I discussed this with you and others at RODOH using my own graphs.
According to the Oxford Academic:This is a fabrication. Many Jews perished in WWI, the men conscripted (Sanning). Since 1945 to current times, the world Jewish population has risen roughly 4 million in 75 years or 53.5 thousand a year. Yet we are expected to believe that between 1700 - 1939 (230 years) the Jewish world births were 26 million or 113 thousand a year. What was in the water they were drinking I wonder; it certainly not in the water these days or since 1945. These figures do not take into regard the natural attrition by death, which would double the birth rate to maintain the population figures. In 230 years most of those people would have died.The world Jewish population more than doubled from 1700 to 1800, reaching 2.7 million. The next one hundred years witnessed a more than threefold increase, as the world Jewish population reached 8.7 million in 1900—and then doubled again by 1939.
I was talking about the Jews in Nazi custody, eg Korherr's 1.5 million "transported into the Russian East".Nazgul wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 6:18 amPaper Jews tend to disappear; this is why they appear to be fabricated, you know the unexpected rise of population numbers by about 6 million in the early 1900s.
I have added a yellow line which roughly is the line of best fit from modern data back extrapolated to the 1880, one can see where the population of the Jews should be in 1939. The modern data shows a linear rise in Jewish populations, which does fit with a simple algebraic forumula. Somehow, the Jewish population reached some unrealistic maximum in 1939. From 1880 to that point the slope of the graph is rather steep, (orange line) which is back extrapolated would mean no Jews existed at about the mid 600s, where the line reaches zero.
I discussed this with you and others at RODOH using my own graphs.
According to the Oxford Academic:This is a fabrication. Many Jews perished in WWI, the men conscripted (Sanning). Since 1945 to current times, the world Jewish population has risen roughly 4 million in 75 years or 53.5 thousand a year. Yet we are expected to believe that between 1700 - 1939 (230 years) the Jewish world births were 26 million or 113 thousand a year. What was in the water they were drinking I wonder; it certainly not in the water these days or since 1945. These figures do not take into regard the natural attrition by death, which would double the birth rate to maintain the population figures. In 230 years most of those people would have died.The world Jewish population more than doubled from 1700 to 1800, reaching 2.7 million. The next one hundred years witnessed a more than threefold increase, as the world Jewish population reached 8.7 million in 1900—and then doubled again by 1939.
