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Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 1:17 pm
by Keen
nessie:
Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

The mass graves have not disappeared. I can point to them in the ground.
But, but, but:
I cannot physically show you mass graves.
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The mentally ill cult member can see the "huge mass graves" well enough to be able to "point to them in the ground" - but he cannot physically show them to us!

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Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 2:58 pm
by Nessie
HansHill wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:24 pm
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:51 am ....I cannot physically show you....
Why not?
Because the Nazis exhumed the corpses, cremated them and reburied the remains mixed into the ground. You have been shown the surveys of the camps that identify the areas that were dug up and where large amounts of cremated remains have been found. For example;

Sobibor, finds of buried cremated remains amongst the trees, where the original mass graves were planted over. The excavations stop as soon as remains are found, to respect the dead.

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The 1944 aerial photo of TII, showing disturbed planted over ground where witnesses located the mass graves and described planting over them.

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Photos of TII, from the 1945 surveys, showing the site after grave robbing activity, littered with bones;

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You chose to believe that, along with all the other corroborating evidence, is insufficient evidence to prove c800,000 were buried at TII. I say what more evidence do you need?

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 3:04 pm
by Nessie
Stubble wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:31 pm
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:51 am
HansHill wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 9:58 am Reported for dodging challenge. 800,000 bodies not presented.

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Could you please go into more detail about how all that evidence dodges the challenge?

Are you suggesting that because I cannot physically show you mass graves, where 800,000 corpses can be individually counted, such as the mass graves at Katyn, that means I cannot prove mass graves?
The evidence;
pilgrimofdark wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:27 pm A few more Treblinka maps that DeathCamps.org doesn't have.

Their "KUDLIK, WIERNIK, TRAUTSOLT MAP" from Oboz stracen w Treblince was revised in 1946 in Obóz zagłady Treblinka with more details and revisions to the language in the map key:

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- full reprt here

There's also this map from the Ringelblum Archive, date "After 07.1942." The version on the archive's website is much larger.

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And this one, from the 1964-1965 trial of Kurt Franz, reproduced in Chad Gibbs's dissertation "Against that Darkness: Revolt at Treblinka."

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DeathCamps.org really needs an update or successor. It's not on HTTPS, which might be the reason their images can't be embedded here.
Does not support the claim.

If you are going to claim the population of Seattle is buried in the confines of the discret camp referred to as Treblinka II, you have to illustrate that with evidence consistent with the claim. At a minimum you would need to prove sufficient disturbed ground.
I say that has been done.
You will of course pivot to '56 Olympic Swimming Pools', but we have been over that canard many times. They didn't have 56 Olympic Swimming Pools at Treblinka II. They did have a Swimming Pool at Treblinka I though.
There is an area of TII, that is the equivalent size of 56 Olympic sized swimming pools, which I say is an area large enough to fit multiple mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of corpses.
Regarding the t4 order, that rather undermines your exterminationist narrative, don't it? There would be an order...

There were standing orders for 14f13 and 14f14. It is my opinion that 14f13 and 14f14 executions were carried out within the confines of the Bug River Camps. I have insufficient evidence to prove that claim however. What I do have is Hans Frank saying that Adolf Hitler told him that there were executions occurring at these sites, of partisans.
Why does there have to have been a surviving order specifically about gassing Jews? Why could it not have been destroyed? Or, considering secrecy around such a controversial act, why could it not be an order using a euphemism for gassing?

That there are orders for the euthanasia project and to kill all partisans and to treat Jews as partisans, is evidence of motive that gassing Jews would also be an acceptable practice, approved of by the most senior of Nazis. It is evidence that mass killing was a part of Nazi policy.

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 4:14 pm
by Stubble
Spoiler
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 3:04 pm
Stubble wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:31 pm
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:51 am

Could you please go into more detail about how all that evidence dodges the challenge?

Are you suggesting that because I cannot physically show you mass graves, where 800,000 corpses can be individually counted, such as the mass graves at Katyn, that means I cannot prove mass graves?
The evidence;
pilgrimofdark wrote: Sat Nov 15, 2025 2:27 pm A few more Treblinka maps that DeathCamps.org doesn't have.

Their "KUDLIK, WIERNIK, TRAUTSOLT MAP" from Oboz stracen w Treblince was revised in 1946 in Obóz zagłady Treblinka with more details and revisions to the language in the map key:

Image

- full reprt here

There's also this map from the Ringelblum Archive, date "After 07.1942." The version on the archive's website is much larger.

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And this one, from the 1964-1965 trial of Kurt Franz, reproduced in Chad Gibbs's dissertation "Against that Darkness: Revolt at Treblinka."

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DeathCamps.org really needs an update or successor. It's not on HTTPS, which might be the reason their images can't be embedded here.
Does not support the claim.

If you are going to claim the population of Seattle is buried in the confines of the discret camp referred to as Treblinka II, you have to illustrate that with evidence consistent with the claim. At a minimum you would need to prove sufficient disturbed ground.
I say that has been done.
You will of course pivot to '56 Olympic Swimming Pools', but we have been over that canard many times. They didn't have 56 Olympic Swimming Pools at Treblinka II. They did have a Swimming Pool at Treblinka I though.
There is an area of TII, that is the equivalent size of 56 Olympic sized swimming pools, which I say is an area large enough to fit multiple mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of corpses.
Regarding the t4 order, that rather undermines your exterminationist narrative, don't it? There would be an order...

There were standing orders for 14f13 and 14f14. It is my opinion that 14f13 and 14f14 executions were carried out within the confines of the Bug River Camps. I have insufficient evidence to prove that claim however. What I do have is Hans Frank saying that Adolf Hitler told him that there were executions occurring at these sites, of partisans.
Why does there have to have been a surviving order specifically about gassing Jews? Why could it not have been destroyed? Or, considering secrecy around such a controversial act, why could it not be an order using a euphemism for gassing?

That there are orders for the euthanasia project and to kill all partisans and to treat Jews as partisans, is evidence of motive that gassing Jews would also be an acceptable practice, approved of by the most senior of Nazis. It is evidence that mass killing was a part of Nazi policy.
You are of course entitled to your own opinion, just as I am entitled to say you are dead wrong.

There was a time when i actually thought you were honest, when you made progress with the 'swimming pools' claim. That was however, very short lived, as you trotted that same chestnut out a few weeks later.

Another comical thing to me is that you accuse me of misrepresenting the findings when you are unironically the one doing that. I have linked the post from PoD that goes directly to the sources you draw from, I present the source material. I have repeatedly link and discussed the Colls thesis, and, I have even made some concessions regarding what it shows. I've linked an oration from Colls, and tried to discuss that.

You, you just point blank say 'well, I think' and 'that has been done'.

Low effort, low IQ, and, frankly, dismissive on your part.

Seek help.

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 4:24 pm
by Nessie
Stubble wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 4:14 pm
Spoiler
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 3:04 pm
Stubble wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:31 pm

The evidence;



Does not support the claim.

If you are going to claim the population of Seattle is buried in the confines of the discret camp referred to as Treblinka II, you have to illustrate that with evidence consistent with the claim. At a minimum you would need to prove sufficient disturbed ground.
I say that has been done.
You will of course pivot to '56 Olympic Swimming Pools', but we have been over that canard many times. They didn't have 56 Olympic Swimming Pools at Treblinka II. They did have a Swimming Pool at Treblinka I though.
There is an area of TII, that is the equivalent size of 56 Olympic sized swimming pools, which I say is an area large enough to fit multiple mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of corpses.
Regarding the t4 order, that rather undermines your exterminationist narrative, don't it? There would be an order...

There were standing orders for 14f13 and 14f14. It is my opinion that 14f13 and 14f14 executions were carried out within the confines of the Bug River Camps. I have insufficient evidence to prove that claim however. What I do have is Hans Frank saying that Adolf Hitler told him that there were executions occurring at these sites, of partisans.
Why does there have to have been a surviving order specifically about gassing Jews? Why could it not have been destroyed? Or, considering secrecy around such a controversial act, why could it not be an order using a euphemism for gassing?

That there are orders for the euthanasia project and to kill all partisans and to treat Jews as partisans, is evidence of motive that gassing Jews would also be an acceptable practice, approved of by the most senior of Nazis. It is evidence that mass killing was a part of Nazi policy.
You are of course entitled to your own opinion, just as I am entitled to say you are dead wrong.
I have not presented my opinion, I have presented evidence, as have you, with the maps, of a large area of mass graves at TII.
There was a time when i actually thought you were honest, when you made progress with the 'swimming pools' claim. That was however, very short lived, as you trotted that same chestnut out a few weeks later.
I think that you initially misunderstood my swimming pool comparison. An area that is a large as 56 Olympic sized swimming pools, is a huge area in which mass graves would contain hundreds of thousands of corpses.
Another comical thing to me is that you accuse me of misrepresenting the findings when you are unironically the one doing that.
What have I misrepresented? It is certainly not the evidence of mass graves at TII.
I have linked the post from PoD that goes directly to the sources you draw from, I present the source material. I have repeatedly link and discussed the Colls thesis, and, I have even made some concessions regarding what it shows. I've linked an oration from Colls, and tried to discuss that.

You, you just point blank say 'well, I think' and 'that has been done'.

Low effort, low IQ, and, frankly, dismissive on your part.

Seek help.
This is an example of how you have misrepresented the evidence. You said "The convention among most orthodox historians is indeed that ths nazis were somehow able to pull off the magic disappearing mass grave trick, and, that they made the operation happen with no 1) plan 2) budget 3) timetable via telepathy."

The mass graves have not disappeared. They are still there, amongst all the ground that was disturbed by the Nazis exhuming the corpses and the grave robbing. There was a plan, budget and timetable to exhume corpses and destroy them, Sonderaction 1005.

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 4:37 pm
by Stubble
If the mass graves are indeed still there (they have to be because you can not erase a hole in the ground), then the space is wildly insufficient for the claim. We have been over and over this in many different threads.

The linked YouTube video takes the orthodox view at face value and claims that the reason there is insufficient space is because the nazis erased the mass graves.

That is the orthodox position.

The position of yourself is 'I think the space is sufficient' full stop. That's very intellectually lazy and dismissive.

Now we are going going back and forth with you saying 'is so' and me saying 'is not'.

It is a waste of time and of forum space.

You claim that the evidence is sufficient. People are certainly free to review it and form their own conclusions.

There are not now nor have there ever been '56 Olympic Swimming Pool' sized mass graves at Treblinka II, and simply saying 'have so' does not make it true.

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Archie wrote: Fri Oct 31, 2025 4:58 am Nessie has been saying this "2 hectares/50 Olympic swimming pools!" thing forever. This is what he does. He gets these little mantras in his head and he just repeats them over an over, totally ignoring counterpoints.

He claims (falsely) that CSC's dissertation has "photos galore" of human remains.
Oh, and Nessie in this post, pay attention to the BOLDED text;
Nessie wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:42 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363

"...several larger pits were recorded in areas suggested by witnesses as the locations of mass graves and cremation sites.
One is 26m long, 17m wide and at least four metres deep, with a ramp at the west end and a vertical edge to the east.
Another five pits of varying sizes and also at least this deep are located nearby."

They are the pits around the main memorial, which is to the right of the blue area on the map below;

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https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

That is the area of the camp multiple witnesses identify as being the location of the main mass graves. In 1945, a Polish site survey identified an area of 2 hectares, where there was disturbed ground containing human remains, which witnesses identified as being the area where the main mass graves were located. The Poles conducted a series of excavations, confirming buried human cremated remains, one of which got 7m deep, before undisturbed ground was found. That is the area in which the mass graves were located, but the Poles could not be specific about where the actual graves were in that area.

Geophysics has been able to be more specific about which parts of that area are disturbed and which are not. The disturbed parts are shown in yellow, around the main memorial. on the above map and in the linked to report, they are described as;

"...to the west of the memorial in this area a further feature was identified
that was also bisected by the concrete (G36). This feature was shown to be
rectilinear in plan within the GPR results and is located in the area believed to have
contained graves..."

It is recorded as 9m by 6m, and it may be a structure, according to appendix 4.3.6.

"Five pits were located with the GPR (G50-G54) on the eastern side of the Death
Camp (Figures 4.29 and 4.34). Although the GPR survey was unable to achieve a large
enough depth range to determine the full extent of these pits, it is possible to say
that they were all deeper than four metres and that they were all of considerable
size in plan (G50 was visible to an extent of 34m x 12m, G51-19m x 12m, G52 – 22m
x c.15m, G53 – c.18m x 7m and G54 was visible to 20.8m x c. 14m). Given their
location in the area thought to contain most of the mass graves and their proximity
to the memorial, there is a strong case for arguing that they represent further
disposals. Similarly, they appear too large to be a result of post-war looting activity."

The total area is (9x6)+(34x12)+(19x12)+(22x15)+(18x7)+(20.8x14)= 1437.2m2. The survey depth was 4m and in many cases the disturbed ground exceeded that, but if we take 4m as an average depth, that is a total volume of 1437.2x4= 5748.8m3.
If we use the 7m depth found by the Poles, then that total volume is 1437.2x7= 10,060.4m3. In another thread I estimated roughly 3.5 Olympic sized swimming pools, which is 8,750m3. The survey was also only of what was visible to GPR, as they could not survey under the memorial.

We could quibble all day long about how much undisturbed ground there is, but geophysics proves at least 5748.8m3, or the equivalent to 2.3 Olympic sized swimming pools, in the area identified by witnesses as the location of the main mass graves and where the Poles identified the main area of disturbed ground in the camp.

So-called revisionists will deny that is evidence of the mass graves, but if they are revisionists, they will provide evidence to revise why the Nazis dug so much of the camp up and what is buried in those pits. Of course, we know they cannot. Which means mass graves is the only evidenced option.


Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 6:37 pm
by Keen
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 2:58 pm Photos of TII, from the 1945 surveys, showing the site after grave robbing activity, littered with bones;

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You chose to believe that, along with all the other corroborating evidence, is insufficient evidence to prove c800,000 were buried at TII.

I say what more evidence do you need?
Well then nessie, what are you waiting for:
A - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people. (That is less than one tenth of one one thousandth of one percent of the alleged mass murder.)

Note: The 6 original fraudulently alleged “huge mass graves” of Treblinka II that were alleged by “authoritative eyewitnesses” and allegedly - “PROVEN” - to exist in the early show trials - MODEL - MAP - (but never proven to exist), are also included in the above reward offer. (A photo of one of these 6 fraudulently alleged “huge mass graves” can be seen - HERE.)

Also note: This reward offer, as it applies to Treblinka II, can also be claimed for each 14 pounds of cremains discovered - ANYWHERE - within the camp boundary.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 7:03 pm
by Keen
nessie writes:
I cannot physically show you mass graves.
Then he posts these photos:

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allegedly "showing the site after grave robbing activity."

Well, what do "grave robbers" dig into???

Answer: Graves.

So the low IQ pathological liar shows photos of alleged "huge mass graves" allegedly dug into by "grave robbers" yet says he cannot show us mass graves.

And with these photos, along with this one:

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The mentally ill pathological liar alleges is enough evidence to prove "by all normal standards of evidencing" that 925,000 jews were murdered and buried within the boundary of Treblinka II.

Remember, the mentally ill pathological liar also claims:
All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps.
Why didn't you include this one nessie:

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???

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 7:26 pm
by Keen
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 2:58 pm
HansHill wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:24 pm
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:51 am ....I cannot physically show you....
Why not?
Because the Nazis exhumed the corpses, cremated them and reburied the remains mixed into the ground.
So what does the retard show us as "proof" of cremated remains at T II?

Photos of alleged "huge mass graves" containing a small amount of UN-cremated bones.

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Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 8:00 pm
by Keen
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 2:58 pm
HansHill wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:24 pm
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 11:51 am ....I cannot physically show you....
Why not?
Because the Nazis exhumed the corpses, cremated them and reburied the remains mixed into the ground.
Let's not forget what else nessie has alleged about cremations:

nesssie:

"They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either."

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 8:24 pm
by Stubble
Keen wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 8:00 pm
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 2:58 pm
HansHill wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 12:24 pm

Why not?
Because the Nazis exhumed the corpses, cremated them and reburied the remains mixed into the ground.
Let's not forget what else nessie has alleged about cremations:

nesssie:

"They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either."
You know, from the extant evidence, such as it is, it would appear that cremation was pretty far from complete. I also don't think the remains look like they have been obliterated in a bone mill either.

I'm open to correction of course.

It would appear to me that Aktion 1005 was hygienic in nature and not to 'completely destroy the evidence of the Holocaust'.

I still need to dig in to the extant documentation of Aktion 1005. I've heard conflicting things with regard to contemporanious reports. I've heard both that there are no German documents and there are some German documents.

I haven't ever actually devoted much time to research on the specific though as it has always been something in the orbit but not my focus.

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 9:29 pm
by Keen
Stubble wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 8:24 pm
Keen wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 8:00 pm
Nessie wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 2:58 pm

Because the Nazis exhumed the corpses, cremated them and reburied the remains mixed into the ground.
Let's not forget what else nessie has alleged about cremations:

nesssie:

"They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either."
You know, from the extant evidence, such as it is, it would appear that cremation was pretty far from complete.
Did you see the amount of so-called cremated remains discovered at T II? (Shown from the 1:08:07 mark to the 1:08:40 mark.)

They could fit in a fucking shoe box.



That is why nessie had to show us un-cremated bones from the "huge mass graves" that he "cannot physically show us" - but then of course he went ahead and did anyway.

And has anyone ever proved that the bones nessie does show are human? (Go to the 1:09:19 mark and tell me what you think.)

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And which of the 15 / 21 "huge mass graves" are those that nessie showed us?

Remember, there is supposed to be tens of thousands of skeletons from bodies that were allegedly buried and never dug up at T II.

Where are they?

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2026 7:18 am
by Nessie
Stubble wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2026 4:37 pm If the mass graves are indeed still there (they have to be because you can not erase a hole in the ground), then the space is wildly insufficient for the claim. We have been over and over this in many different threads.
That is your opinion. Your opinion is not evidence to prove there are not enough mass graves to accommodate c800,000 corpses.
The linked YouTube video takes the orthodox view at face value and claims that the reason there is insufficient space is because the nazis erased the mass graves.

That is the orthodox position.
I disagree, because, as you say, you cannot erase a hole in the ground. Just as you cannot claim mass graves, where ground is undisturbed.
The position of yourself is 'I think the space is sufficient' full stop. That's very intellectually lazy and dismissive.
You have misrepresented my position. My position is not "full stop". It is that the space is sufficient because of the evidence from multiple corroborating sources that c800,000 were killed and buried at the camp.
Now we are going going back and forth with you saying 'is so' and me saying 'is not'.

It is a waste of time and of forum space.
That back and forth is because you have your opinion and then you lie about the evidence and my position, to support your opinion. You are unable to produce counter evidence to prove no mass killings and graves, such as evidence of undisturbed ground.
You claim that the evidence is sufficient. People are certainly free to review it and form their own conclusions.

There are not now nor have there ever been '56 Olympic Swimming Pool' sized mass graves at Treblinka II, and simply saying 'have so' does not make it true.
Again, you are misrepresenting what I have said. The area of Lager 3, on this plan, where the main mass graves are located, is the equivalent to 56 Olympic sized pools.

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Archie wrote: Fri Oct 31, 2025 4:58 am Nessie has been saying this "2 hectares/50 Olympic swimming pools!" thing forever. This is what he does. He gets these little mantras in his head and he just repeats them over an over, totally ignoring counterpoints.

He claims (falsely) that CSC's dissertation has "photos galore" of human remains.
Oh, and Nessie in this post, pay attention to the BOLDED text;
Nessie wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:42 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363

"...several larger pits were recorded in areas suggested by witnesses as the locations of mass graves and cremation sites.
One is 26m long, 17m wide and at least four metres deep, with a ramp at the west end and a vertical edge to the east.
Another five pits of varying sizes and also at least this deep are located nearby."

They are the pits around the main memorial, which is to the right of the blue area on the map below;

Image

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

That is the area of the camp multiple witnesses identify as being the location of the main mass graves. In 1945, a Polish site survey identified an area of 2 hectares, where there was disturbed ground containing human remains, which witnesses identified as being the area where the main mass graves were located. The Poles conducted a series of excavations, confirming buried human cremated remains, one of which got 7m deep, before undisturbed ground was found. That is the area in which the mass graves were located, but the Poles could not be specific about where the actual graves were in that area.

Geophysics has been able to be more specific about which parts of that area are disturbed and which are not. The disturbed parts are shown in yellow, around the main memorial. on the above map and in the linked to report, they are described as;

"...to the west of the memorial in this area a further feature was identified
that was also bisected by the concrete (G36). This feature was shown to be
rectilinear in plan within the GPR results and is located in the area believed to have
contained graves..."

It is recorded as 9m by 6m, and it may be a structure, according to appendix 4.3.6.

"Five pits were located with the GPR (G50-G54) on the eastern side of the Death
Camp (Figures 4.29 and 4.34). Although the GPR survey was unable to achieve a large
enough depth range to determine the full extent of these pits, it is possible to say
that they were all deeper than four metres and that they were all of considerable
size in plan (G50 was visible to an extent of 34m x 12m, G51-19m x 12m, G52 – 22m
x c.15m, G53 – c.18m x 7m and G54 was visible to 20.8m x c. 14m). Given their
location in the area thought to contain most of the mass graves and their proximity
to the memorial, there is a strong case for arguing that they represent further
disposals. Similarly, they appear too large to be a result of post-war looting activity."

The total area is (9x6)+(34x12)+(19x12)+(22x15)+(18x7)+(20.8x14)= 1437.2m2. The survey depth was 4m and in many cases the disturbed ground exceeded that, but if we take 4m as an average depth, that is a total volume of 1437.2x4= 5748.8m3.
If we use the 7m depth found by the Poles, then that total volume is 1437.2x7= 10,060.4m3. In another thread I estimated roughly 3.5 Olympic sized swimming pools, which is 8,750m3. The survey was also only of what was visible to GPR, as they could not survey under the memorial.

We could quibble all day long about how much undisturbed ground there is, but geophysics proves at least 5748.8m3, or the equivalent to 2.3 Olympic sized swimming pools, in the area identified by witnesses as the location of the main mass graves and where the Poles identified the main area of disturbed ground in the camp.

So-called revisionists will deny that is evidence of the mass graves, but if they are revisionists, they will provide evidence to revise why the Nazis dug so much of the camp up and what is buried in those pits. Of course, we know they cannot. Which means mass graves is the only evidenced option.

That area is large enough to have contained mass graves where c800,000 were buried. That is what is evidenced to have happened.

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2026 10:48 am
by Keen
Nessie wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 7:18 am
On this plan, where the main mass graves are located, is the equivalent to 56 Olympic sized pools.
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So nessie is now alleging that these fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves:"

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are "the main mass graves."

But the "huge mass graves" shown in his "plan" do not match those of his two "most authoritative eyewittnesses"!

Re: Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2026 10:56 am
by Keen
Nessie wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2026 7:18 am You are unable to produce counter evidence to prove no mass killings and graves... Which means mass graves is the only evidenced option.
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Also nessie:
I cannot physically show you mass graves.
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The mentally ill pathological liar cannot show us "the only evidenced option"!!!

Which is why it is unable to rebut this rebuttable presumption:
OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

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