Archie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:35 pm
... If I am planning on rounding up and killing millions of Jews, wouldn't the next logical consideration be over the technical and logistical means to accomplish this? Wouldn't there be some discussions over how to do this?
Why are you assuming there were no such discussions? The history of Action T4 and the Einsatzgruppen, their formation and operations, provide the earliest planning for the technical and logistical means to kill lots of people. Then chronologically, AR and Action 13f14 were instigated, along with general planning for the Final Solution.
The best surviving evidence for technical and logistical planning, are the documents from A-B, recording the work to modify the Kremas, to contain heated undressing rooms, ventilated gas chambers, multiple corpse cremation ovens and barracks to store property.
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ce-on.html
Evidence of the work undertaken at the AR camps, was heard at the various camp staff trials, some excerpts here;
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... speak.html
Yet with the Holocaust we presented on the one hand with an "industrialized," mass murder program but on the other a program that is essentially improvised.
The Final Solution is better described as adapted, rather than improvised. The adaptations took place over time and place and happened because of the varying support the Nazis had. Romania conducted its own Holocaust. Latvians assisted the EG shooting Jews. The Dutch civil service and police provided assistance in the identification, registration and arrest of Jews. The Hungarians resisted and then offered partial cooperation. The Danish and Finns offered no cooperation, and the vast majority of their Jewish citizens survived. Over time, the risk to the Nazis of being held to account for killing Jews increased, so that by 1945, killing operations had ended. The competition between those tasked with utilising Jews as slave labourers and those tasked with killing them, could collide and conflict and more workers were needed as the war progressed.
I noted the seemingly improvised nature of the supposed T4 gas chambers here.
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5356#p5356
But this theme recurs elsewhere, including at AR and at Auschwitz. Arthur Butz made this general point way back in 1976 in
Hoax.
It was up to local commanders, those in charge of hospitals and camps where gassings were to take place, to construct those chambers. Bear in mind that killing operations were seen as temporary, with no need for long term planning and logistics. Improvised gas chambers, in places that could be returned or utilised for another use, make sense. IIRC, there was a memo about Sobibor as a labour camp producing ammunition, its intended purpose after it no longer received mass transports for its gas chambers.