The Hungarian jews; another 'where'd they go'

[Nessie]

Copying this from the locked thread, to reply to it here. Nessie wrote:

Tracking people is nowhere near as difficult as you want to pretend. There are all sorts of ancestry companies, cashing in on helping people to track or prove relatives, as they settle compensation and property claims, or people want to know what happened.

Nice try Nessie. Paying to find your granny on 23&Me is in no way comparable to geolocating and quantifying a dissident minority population in wartime across borders behind the iron curtain, and you know it.

Evidencing millions of Jews resettled by the Nazis in the east 1941-4 and then liberated by the Soviets 1944-5, would be easy, as they would have left a lot of evidence.

A far more meaningful comparison would be: quantifying North Korean defectors.

I challenge you to ask your favourite LLM "how many people have defected from North Korea since its inception?" Depending which one you use it will either tell you A) we don't know, or B) give you a range. Why? Because it's very difficult to quantify a dissident minority population in wartime across borders.

If you go one step further, and ask your favourite LLM why it's so difficult, it will tell you. Those reasons include:

- Technical limitations (this despite of course, living in the age of high technology
- Political reasons - for example, China not wishing to disturb it's delicate relationship with NK, and the wider Korean peninsula
- Propaganda narratives - defectors pose risk to established narratives of sensitive topics like for example, the North Korean famine in the 90s where we believe millions of people perished
- They are an isolationist people who wish to remain as such and integrating into host-societies is not desirable if even possible

"B-b-but thats totally different!"

No. Its remarkably similar, and you know it.

I linked to just some of the databases of missing people. It is proven beyond all reasonable doubt that millions of Jews the Nazis arrested during the war, disappeared during the war. You have dodged discussing countries like Hungary, and switch to North Korea, because you want to dodge that the Hungarians evidence hundreds of thousands of their Jewish citizens were arrested, went to A-B and were never seen again. Why would the Hungarians participate in a hoax, that they assisted the Nazis to killing so many of their own people?

[HansHill]

...because you want to dodge....

Nice try, i haven't dodged anything - i've addressed your laughable assertion head on, that quantifying an ethnic minority of political dissidents against a backdrop of ethnic persecution, war and political instability is as easy as downloading the 23&Me app to find a relative.

Laughable comparison that nobody would take seriously.

[Nessie]

...because you want to dodge....

Nice try, i haven't dodged anything - i've addressed your laughable assertion head on, that quantifying an ethnic minority of political dissidents against a backdrop of ethnic persecution, war and political instability is as easy as downloading the 23&Me app to find a relative.

Laughable comparison that nobody would take seriously.

Evidencing c450,000 Hungarian Jews liberated by the Soviets in 1945, let alone c5.5 million supposedly not killed by the Nazis, would be easy, if it had happened. The Soviets were struggling for resources and to find themselves having to feed that many new mouths, would have been a huge task.

[HansHill]

Evidencing c450,000 Hungarian Jews liberated by the Soviets in 1945, let alone c5.5 million supposedly not killed by the Nazis, would be easy, if it had happened. The Soviets were struggling for resources and to find themselves having to feed that many new mouths, would have been a huge task.

I just want everyone to bask in this glorious quote for a good moment or two, before he attempts to withdraw it:

liberated by the Soviets

And one more time for good measure!

liberated by the Soviets

[Nessie]

Evidencing c450,000 Hungarian Jews liberated by the Soviets in 1945, let alone c5.5 million supposedly not killed by the Nazis, would be easy, if it had happened. The Soviets were struggling for resources and to find themselves having to feed that many new mouths, would have been a huge task.

I just want everyone to bask in this glorious quote for a good moment or two, before he attempts to withdraw it:

liberated by the Soviets

And one more time for good measure!

liberated by the Soviets

You are now trying to suggest that the Soviets were motivated to and capable of liberating and hiding millions of Jews, to promote a Holocaust hoax.

[HansHill]

My favourite LLM has just confirmed that somewhere between 14 and 25 million people were Gulag'd during this period of time, so any number you care to suggest would be a drop in the ocean.

You personal incredulity is your own to deal with.

Also, see what I was teaching you about estimate ranges, regarding displaced groups of ethnic minority dissidents at scale against the backdrop of war or political instability? Why is it a range and not a definite number?

[Nessie]

My favourite LLM has just confirmed that somewhere between 14 and 25 million people were Gulag'd during this period of time, so any number you care to suggest would be a drop in the ocean.

You personal incredulity is your own to deal with.

I do not need to rely on an illogical argument. I just point to the evidence for mass murder and the lack of evidence of the Soviets liberating millions of Jews.

[HansHill]

Do i need to remind you that you don't have a murder weapon? This isn't a thread for diesel exhaust, so this is merely a reminder for you and those reading.

[TlsMS93]

The Soviets claim to have lost 26 million people during the Great Patriotic War, so absorbing a few million people as they occupied countries would not be a burden at all, there would be surplus resources.

[Stubble]

Do i need to remind you that you don't have a murder weapon? This isn't a thread for diesel exhaust, so this is merely a reminder for you and those reading.

I've been meaning to start a thread for the warehouses that murdered jews with a single tank engine in 15 minutes.

Every time I have trouble with the opening post because the whole premise is just so fucking stupid.

[Nessie]

Do i need to remind you that you don't have a murder weapon? This isn't a thread for diesel exhaust, so this is merely a reminder for you and those reading.

Evidence to prove the murder weapon for the Hungarian Jews here;

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ce-on.html

[Nessie]

The Soviets claim to have lost 26 million people during the Great Patriotic War, so absorbing a few million people as they occupied countries would not be a burden at all, there would be surplus resources.

Soviet dead and displaced can be evidenced. Why not millions of Jews liberated by the Soviets? Or, since chronology is so important to historians, millions of Jews, including nearly 0.5 million Hungarians, abandoned in camps and ghettos in 1945, by the Nazis, to be liberated by the Soviets?

[Nessie]

Do i need to remind you that you don't have a murder weapon? This isn't a thread for diesel exhaust, so this is merely a reminder for you and those reading.

I've been meaning to start a thread for the warehouses that murdered jews with a single tank engine in 15 minutes.

Every time I have trouble with the opening post because the whole premise is just so fucking stupid.

You are admitting that you will argue no gassings, using the logical fallacy of argument from incredulity.

[Stubble]

No, stop being silly Nessie, this is serious business.

Can you imagine the environmental impact running an engine would have if just one of them could gas an entire warehouse full of people in 15 minutes?

We have to understand the special modifications that would have had to take place so we can better understand how to mitigate the impact of exhaust fumes on populations, especially in cities.

[HansHill]

Evidence to prove the murder weapon for the Hungarian Jews here;

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ce-on.html

>Evidence for murder weapon
>Line 1 = oven

Unless you are claiming an oven as the murder weapon which i don't think you are, I will ask you to please cut the wheat from the chaff and condense this into the actual murder weapon used, and I will review that condensed list. I'm not wasting my time to read fluff about cremations which are not proof of genocide.