Chronology of the Holocaust

[bombsaway]

In terms of technical difficulty, how does it compare with delousing chambers? Seems like they're very similar in principle. With bottled CO I assume that's pressurized so you just have to, attach a tube that leads into the room, release the valve, and the gas flows until the valve is tightened.

My feeling about revisionists is they're assigning a technical difficulty to homicidal gassing that is unwarranted.

[Stubble]

In terms of technical difficulty, how does it compare with delousing chambers? Seems like they're very similar in principle. With bottled CO I assume that's pressurized so you just have to, attach a tube that leads into the room, release the valve, and the gas flows until the valve is tightened.

My feeling about revisionists is they're assigning a technical difficulty to homicidal gassing that is unwarranted.

I question your rigor and I caution you that you have in no way considered this critically.

Further, I find you disregard for safe practices so cavalier that I would not work with you on any site where life was on the line. I would not want you on a drill site, I would not want you in a processing plant and I'd be leery to work with you in manufacturing.

Doing just as you have proposed would be, trying to not be overly wordy here, dangerous, and not just for the condemned.

[Archie]

In terms of technical difficulty, how does it compare with delousing chambers? Seems like they're very similar in principle. With bottled CO I assume that's pressurized so you just have to, attach a tube that leads into the room, release the valve, and the gas flows until the valve is tightened.

My feeling about revisionists is they're assigning a technical difficulty to homicidal gassing that is unwarranted.

You misunderstand (as is your wont). The Germans built the V-2 rocket. I have no doubt whatsoever that they could have built an exquisite homicidal gas chamber. This would not be difficult at all for someone with sufficient technical background. However, if you told a typical person or even a typical physician to go build a gas chamber, I wouldn't expect them to know how to do this. Could they rig something up? Er ... maybe? You cite the delousing chambers but are you aware that everything was designed by DEGESCH, there were lengthy technical manuals, and that SS men had to be trained in the procedure so that they wouldn't accidentally kill anyone? And that there were sometimes accidents? This example seems to support my point over yours. This doesn't seem like the sort of thing that you just throw together casually.

Or take the American gas chambers. Do you think the prison warden thought it would be a good idea to have a gas chamber and gave it his best shot? No. They contracted that out to some engineering company that would have had some some clue what they were doing.

Consider what I posted recently about Brack.
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30

Question: Now, how would the heads of each of these institutions know how to install a gas chamber unless there were certain plans and specifications given to them?

Brack: I never saw any such plan. I don’t know of any.

Question: Would you know how to go out and build a gas chamber unless some engineer or planner had told you? Certainly I wouldn’t.

Brack: I don’t know whether I would either. Presumably he called in an engineer.

Question: That’s what I’m trying to say. What engineer or group of engineers was responsible for seeing that these gas chambers were built so that they would do the job they were supposed to do?

Brack: There was certainly no group of engineers. I presume there was somebody at the institutions who had enough technical ability to do it. I don’t know.

The NMT judge agrees with me. He is baffled by this improvised gas chamber story. Brack can't really explain it. My guess is that's because his testimony isn't factual. And we see this problem repeatedly with the "gas chamber" design and construction.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=196

[Archie]

Just a heads up, this thread is probably going to get euthanized (locked) at some point since there's no clear scope or focus. The topic was obstensibly "chronology" which is really broad to begin with. But there wasn't much discussion of timeline related issues. It quickly turned into Einsatzgruppen. Then it pivoted to euthanasia. I fail to see the advantage in mixing all of this together or how the "chronology" theme adds anything to these discussions. It seems like separate threads would be better than a long meandering thread covering a bunch of different topics. Reminds me of the BA's case for orthodoxy thread (which in retrospect was also too disorganized).

[Numar Patru]

Or take the American gas chambers. Do you think the prison warden thought it would be a good idea to have a gas chamber and gave it his best shot? No. They contracted that out to some engineering company that would have had some some clue what they were doing.

Cool. Now explain how a German hospital is going to accomplish that without raising suspicion that they are going to be conducting executions? Someone is going to have loose lips, and then T4 is back in the newspapers, the government has egg on its face, etc.

“Revisionists” routinely overestimate the importance of planning in much of how the Nazis conducted mass killing. It is far more likely that, in many cases, mass execution was carried out with an order to use what was had on hand.