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Re: Chronology of the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:58 am
by Nessie
Stubble wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:22 pm
bombsaway wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:07 pm ....

So it's the cost issues that make the idea of T4 gassings deeply implausible to you? Is it the technical difficulty of conducting gassings? Be specific
No, it's that the entire contrived narrative is incomprehensible, unnecessary and ridiculous.

/shrug
Stubble, please explain the logic that because you find gassings unbelievable, therefore they did not happen.

Re: Chronology of the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:55 pm
by HansHill
Nessie wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:58 am
Stubble, please explain the logic that because you find gassings unbelievable, therefore they did not happen.
This can't be a real question? Nessie: If things are not believable, they by definition fail to meet our expectations of sitting "beyond reasonable doubt", and are therefore regarded with suspicion and attract criticism.

https://legaldictionary.net/beyond-a-reasonable-doubt/

Re: Chronology of the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:58 pm
by HansHill
bombsaway wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:37 pm Sure, I'll respond to this post in a few days. Until then I would ask that people don't move forward too far in the chronology

In the meantime I might check out the links I provided previously and here's a book https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/michael- ... -download/
BA - I've already said in this thread that CO gassings under the T4 programme are at least plausible, if not very practical. If you want to discuss it with me in Stubble's absence, then by all means.

I'm interested in how you get from T4 gassings to AR gassings of a completely different method.

Re: Chronology of the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:38 pm
by Nessie
HansHill wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:55 pm
Nessie wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:58 am
Stubble, please explain the logic that because you find gassings unbelievable, therefore they did not happen.
This can't be a real question?
It is the question I have to ask the most, because revisionists dodge it the most, since their incredulity is what their denial is based on. They find the Holocaust too incredible to believe, so they argue it cannot have happened.
Nessie: If things are not believable, they by definition fail to meet our expectations of sitting "beyond reasonable doubt", and are therefore regarded with suspicion and attract criticism.

https://legaldictionary.net/beyond-a-reasonable-doubt/
So, you are saying that it did not happen. How is your disbelief it happened, proof that it did not happen?

Re: Chronology of the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:40 pm
by Nessie
HansHill wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:58 pm
bombsaway wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:37 pm Sure, I'll respond to this post in a few days. Until then I would ask that people don't move forward too far in the chronology

In the meantime I might check out the links I provided previously and here's a book https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/michael- ... -download/
BA - I've already said in this thread that CO gassings under the T4 programme are at least plausible, if not very practical. If you want to discuss it with me in Stubble's absence, then by all means.

I'm interested in how you get from T4 gassings to AR gassings of a completely different method.
Is your acceptance T4 gassings are plausible, evidence to prove those gassings happened?

Re: Chronology of the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:50 pm
by bombsaway
HansHill wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:58 pm
bombsaway wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 11:37 pm Sure, I'll respond to this post in a few days. Until then I would ask that people don't move forward too far in the chronology

In the meantime I might check out the links I provided previously and here's a book https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/michael- ... -download/
BA - I've already said in this thread that CO gassings under the T4 programme are at least plausible, if not very practical. If you want to discuss it with me in Stubble's absence, then by all means.

I'm interested in how you get from T4 gassings to AR gassings of a completely different method.
Something being "not practical" makes it implausible. Remember the evidence too. It isn't just speculation on the part of historians, there is a large body of documentary and witness evidence pointing to T4 related gassings. By questioning whether these occurred you are in a sense asserting a conspiracy to fabricate this evidence.

Personally I see no reason to doubt the T4 gassings, given the evidence we have. New evidence could surface, or evidence of a conspiracy, but that doesn't exist, so why have strong doubts?

Re: Chronology of the Holocaust

Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:53 pm
by Stubble
Nessie wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:58 am
Stubble wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:22 pm
bombsaway wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:07 pm ....

So it's the cost issues that make the idea of T4 gassings deeply implausible to you? Is it the technical difficulty of conducting gassings? Be specific
No, it's that the entire contrived narrative is incomprehensible, unnecessary and ridiculous.

/shrug
Stubble, please explain the logic that because you find gassings unbelievable, therefore they did not happen.
Nessie, is your grip on reality really so tenuous as to think my opinion about an event would actually, really and truly have an effect on it's occurring or not occurring?

The only other time I've run into this argument it was associated with string theory and I'm reasonably sure the other party 'didn't get it'.

Come now, please be generous and give me some time for reflection.