Majdanek this and that

[Fred Ziffel]

if it does not, then do the research, get together your arguments and present here for peer review.

[Booze]

There's appears to be a chimney-like structure on the roof in the area of the ceiling shafts in the undressing room.
I don't see a window there either.

[Wetzelrad]

Yes, both the furnace chimney and the undressing room chimney are visible. It corresponds perfectly to Fred's picture from upthread.



So there's no question that the undressing room chimneys were put there by the Germans.

It would be nice to place the date more precisely. It's probably early 1943, but we don't know exactly when the bunker was built.

[Booze]

There is something that looks strange when comparing that chimney's location from these two photos using that small annex (for lack of a better term) below as a reference.
Then again the two pictures are taken from different angles

[Booze]

Link to video. Do not watch when he is outside since the sound quality is very bad. I recommend watching from 19:47 till he leaves the B42 woman's delousing building. Then watch again when he is inside the new cremation facility. I will cover what he said in the cremation building in another posting. Juicy bits there too.

Link:

Does anyone have an alternative link for this video?

[Wetzelrad]

Does anyone have an alternative link for this video?

It is mirrored here:
https://video.fc2.com/content/202504051wmtF0ZL

[Booze]

Thank You

[Booze]

Majdanek Nazi Concentration Camp Pastor Antero Kaczan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8rQ-Kl-j0E
Using Google, I translated the transcript.
The translation, as expected, is not perfect.
Starting at 8:54...

January 2010 So, a Happy New Year to each of the people who are listening to this movie and looking here now, I'm showing the called Chirinos is a shower, many and rows of showers, but not only water came out. A lot of the time, they people would come in here and they would release the gas and kill people with the gas. These are called Death Showers.
Unfortunately, what the devil does is impossible to think about, it's terrible.
But the story is a sad story. Very Sad, but what can you do now?
Only pray that God doesn't allow it to happen. More of these things, these are the showers that they killed with.

[Booze]

At one point, there was a sign in the undressing room saying that it was an experimental gas chamber.

We're told that it was Hoess, at Auschwitz, who was the first to experiment with exterminating groups of people with Zyklon.
Why is there a need for an identical experiment?
Who headed up this experiment an Majdanek?

It looks like an intermediate step towards backing away from the undressing room as a gas chamber, with zero need for any details.
Am I missing anything?

[Fred Ziffel]

My first and last conversation with Grok

I replied to Grok after it told me there were Zyklon gas chambers with blue stains in the room.
I showed Grok a photo of "A" chamber that had no ceiling holes and asked how did they drop the Zyklon gypsum pellets if there were no holes in the ceiling?

Grok told me they put the pellets in through the pipe in the room. (Yes there is a pipe in the room)

At that moment I thought I had Grok. I said to Grok, if you pour gypsum pellets in the pipe, you will plug up pipe.

Grok replies that they used that Kula cage thingy they said was used at Birkenau Crem 2 and 3. But there are no holes in the ceiling so even the Kula thingy would not work even if it existed.

Moral of the story and what I learned. Grok (More like Crock) is useless and is not to be argue with since it twists everything into a pretzel and you get nowhere. Maybe that is how they programmed it?

[Stubble]

My first and last conversation with Grok

I replied to Grok after it told me there were Zyklon gas chambers with blue stains in the room.
I showed Grok a photo of "A" chamber that had no ceiling holes and asked how did they drop the Zyklon gypsum pellets if there were no holes in the ceiling?

Grok told me they put the pellets in through the pipe in the room. (Yes there is a pipe in the room)

At that moment I thought I had Grok. I said to Grok, if you pour gypsum pellets in the pipe, you will plug up pipe.

Grok replies that they used that Kula cage thingy they said was used at Birkenau Crem 2 and 3. But there are no holes in the ceiling so even the Kula thingy would not work even if it existed.

Moral of the story and what I learned. Grok (More like Crock) is useless and is not to be argue with since it twists everything into a pretzel and you get nowhere. Maybe that is how they programmed it?

The 'guardrails' and training data around the event know as the holocaust lead to some rather hilarious interactions with AI. Last year, when arguing with ChatGPT before the court decision that said they had to log all data, I found that after an argument where I got the better of it, when I opened a new dialogue, not only had it forgotten what we had talked about, but, it simply inverted the facts.

That type of dishonesty floored me.

The reason the gas chamber story at Majdanek evolved, was because it didn't make any sense. It still doesn't make much sense, but, it makes more sense than it used to.

The root cause of why it doesn't make sense, is of course, because it's bullshit.

[fireofice]

Some issues I want to bring up on some revisionist claims on Majdanek.

One claim I've heard is that the bottles there are carbon dioxide bottles, not carbon monoxide bottles. However, I recently came across a claim that there are photos showing that the bottles were carbon monoxide. You can view the photos and the claims here:



Now if this is true, I do find this a little strange. If the bottles that are there now are not original, whose to say the CO bottles are? Maybe Soviets took CO bottles from somewhere else and put them there to take a picture and then moved them. Once you say these bottles were moved around by the Allies for whatever reason, you can't rule that out. Nonetheless, even if they were originally there, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Callafangers has gone over the uses of CO bottles here:

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=591#p591

Another thing I want to bring up is the "seventh gas chamber" at Majdanek. This HC blog says that it was never identified as a homicidal gas chamber.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... amber.html

If true, this doesn't change much in regards to the main revisionist criticisms of the claims for this camp. Under this scenario, it would just be the case that they originally said there were six homicidal gas chambers which have been reduced to two. Still a massive change from the original story.

[Booze]

Is it the museum who is making the claim that there were code names for T4 coordinators on those bottles?

[Fred Ziffel]

What I know
1. In a recent video a museum representative admitted the tanks in the Cell 14 room were labeled as CO2. Can find on this thread. The museum said to me they used bottles from the camp casino to show what it looked like back then. They never tell those who visit that the tanks are co2.

2. If the Soviet did indeed find CO tanks, they would have been parading them in front of the world to see the evil Germans and not disappearing them to Soviet Union. It is said that the tanks were originally found in B52 near the Zyklon B cans.

3. I did a recent look at why I think CO gas was not used in the two rooms. Here is link for what it is worth: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6gsf1sn7 ... iqa63&dl=0

4. If you are in an argument with that D-H, do not bother, God all mighty could not convince D-H it was all Holobunga. I suspect D-H of turning in Holocaust Deniers on X so I would just block the whatever

[Wetzelrad]

If the bottles that are there now are not original, whose to say the CO bottles are? Maybe Soviets took CO bottles from somewhere else and put them there to take a picture and then moved them.

Yes, obviously. In fact the Soviet photo of room 14 is that of an empty room, only displaying some pipework on the walls, whereas the Soviet photo of the five canisters may actually be from Barrack 52, which is ten buildings to the south, and which is the location the Soviets claimed to have found CO and Zyklon in a chemical storage room. It's in their 1944 report, p.121 of Graf & Mattogno.

Since there is apparently no German document explaining the usage of CO in the camp, both sides of the debate are highly speculative in this area. Planted evidence is possible. But something has to account for the strange arrangement of pipes in the bunker and the blue staining that formed near them.

The museum said to me they used bottles from the camp casino to show what it looked like back then.

It would be good to know if this is merely the opinion of that museum rep or if they have solid evidence that this was done. Because currently it is a matter of open debate as to where the CO2 tanks came from. Mattogno still speculates that those two CO2 tanks could have been among the five supposed CO tanks.

Another thing I want to bring up is the "seventh gas chamber" at Majdanek. This HC blog says that it was never identified as a homicidal gas chamber.

Well, what Romanov says is that it was identified as homicidal by the museum but given short shrift -- only three mentions -- in the Soviet report. It wasn't left out.

Lest anyone doubt it, the museum sign in this room gave this description still in 2004: "A GAS CHAMBER BUILT TO EXTERMINATE BY MEANS OF CYCLONE B, POLITICAL PRISONERS FROM THE LUBLIN CASTLE. [workers?] OF THE CREMATORIUM AND GAS CHAMBERS WERE MOST [probably?] KILLED HERE"