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The real capacity of the ovens is not even evidenced by the historiography of the Holocaust, and it comes with this pomp of authority.

The truth is that the historiography of the Holocaust lacks everything. If the defendants were tried in a court under positive law, they would all be acquitted, but that's the way it is. Those who defend this Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence only do so for others. If they were accused of something, they would appeal to positive law.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 11:24 am The real capacity of the ovens is not even evidenced by the historiography of the Holocaust, and it comes with this pomp of authority.

There is documentary and witness evidence from Topf & Sons that the ovens were designed for continuous multiple corpse cremations and that their estimates as to how many corpses could be cremated were exceeded by the Sonderkommandos.

The truth is that the historiography of the Holocaust lacks everything.

That is not the truth. The reality is that it is so-called revisionism that lacks pretty much everything. It fails at revising the history of what happened.

If the defendants were tried in a court under positive law, they would all be acquitted, but that's the way it is. Those who defend this Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence only do so for others. If they were accused of something, they would appeal to positive law.

The death camp staff put on trial, admitted to gassings, because they knew the evidence gassings took place was overwhelming. If millions of arrested Jews had not been killed, there would have been millions in camps and ghettos in 1944 and that would have left a lot of evidence. Instead, there is none.

Nessie, you seem to have misspelled 'testimony given by an engineer during an nkvd interrogation'.

There is also a testing report saying if you put 2 bodies in 1 muffle in a 3 muffle T&S oven, it won't work right....

You ignore that one.

You just count hits and ignore misses.

Stubble wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 2:29 pm Nessie, you seem to have misspelled 'testimony given by an engineer during an nkvd interrogation'.

Testimony that is corroborated by camp documents and other eyewitnesses, Jewish and SS. Just because the Soviets interrogate someone, does not therefore mean what they say is lies.

There is also a testing report saying if you put 2 bodies in 1 muffle in a 3 muffle T&S oven, it won't work right....

You ignore that one.

You just count hits and ignore misses.

A testing report that was proved to be wrong.

Nessie wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 12:10 pm If millions of arrested Jews had not been killed, there would have been millions in camps and ghettos in 1944 and that would have left a lot of evidence.

Nessie, would the murder and burial of millions of jews leave a lot of physical evidence?

Keyword is One hour for EVERY 45kgs. So if you add two, at 45kgs that makes 90kgs and roughly twice as long. Reference to video is in the upper left side

Lest we not forget that humans are on average 65% water. So that is twice the water.

Lest we not forget these modern units are direct fire with Nat gas, not 1940s era units that radiate heat from burning coke fuel.

In Feb 2024 my brother in MN, was cremated, I asked the company that did the work how long it took. The attachment was their reply

Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 10:50 pm Keyword is One hour for EVERY 45kgs. So if you add two, at 45kgs that makes 90kgs and roughly twice as long. Reference to video is in the upper left side

If 45kg is a small adult, that is two people being cremated. If 4 corpses of different sizes, and no clothing or coffins, are put into the oven, let's say that is two larger at 75kg and two smaller at 35kg, that is 210kg. After half an hour, those corpses have cremated enough to fall, be racked through the grill to keep burning below, so another 210kg is introduced. Under the continuous cremation system, the ovens have 420kg of corpses in them.

Lest we not forget that humans are on average 65% water. So that is twice the water.

Lest we not forget these modern units are direct fire with Nat gas, not 1940s era units that radiate heat from burning coke fuel.

In Feb 2024 my brother in MN, was cremated, I asked the company that did the work how long it took. The attachment was their reply

The Nazi cremations were not to ashes for urns. They were to stop body counts and identifying people and the cause of death. Comparisons with modern single cremations, in coffins and clothed, are misleading.

this room here clearly labeled an Urn room at the main camp. see letter h. The older sign here was much different
Here is more on ID tags put in with the body found when cremated.

Urns from Majdanek and Ebensee

Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:32 am this room here clearly labeled an Urn room at the main camp. see letter h. The older sign here was much different
Here is more on ID tags put in with the body found when cremated.

The original designs were for individual cremations. That does not mean that is how the Kremas variously functioned. Topf & Sons and camp construction office documents record numerous modifications for multiple corpse cremations.

Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:35 am Urns from Majdanek and Ebensee

That does not therefore mean all cremations in the camps were individual and the cremains placed into urns.

Yes it does,
If it were mass killing, they would have used some kind of a dumpster instead
Urns do not fit the mass murder story

here is an urn on display, read label carefully and consider the logistics to accomplish the contents the label

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 10:26 am

Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:32 am this room here clearly labeled an Urn room at the main camp. see letter h. The older sign here was much different
Here is more on ID tags put in with the body found when cremated.

The original designs were for individual cremations. That does not mean that is how the Kremas variously functioned. Topf & Sons and camp construction office documents record numerous modifications for multiple corpse cremations.

Tell me what the oven modifications were and how this is accomplished. I used to work with metal heat treating ovens so feel free to talk in technical terms. Design Drawings welcomed

Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 1:53 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 10:26 am

Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 7:32 am this room here clearly labeled an Urn room at the main camp. see letter h. The older sign here was much different
Here is more on ID tags put in with the body found when cremated.

The original designs were for individual cremations. That does not mean that is how the Kremas variously functioned. Topf & Sons and camp construction office documents record numerous modifications for multiple corpse cremations.

Tell me what the oven modifications were and how this is accomplished. I used to work with metal heat treating ovens so feel free to talk in technical terms. Design Drawings welcomed

Topf & Sons engineer testimony here. It is worthwhile reading the lot.

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=61650

Documents recording the work on the ovens here (do word searches for oven and ovens and you will go to the relevant documents)

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ce-on.html

Now you go through all that text that you linked and show me EXACTLY and I am sure you never read yourself, what was done to make these super ovens. These ovens are not rocket science. I am in no mood to wade through a bunch of unrelated crap and waste my time. GET TO THE PIOINT! What were done to these ovens??