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Re: The Dec 1942 Declaration
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2026 4:14 pm
by Eye of Zyclone
bombsaway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 11, 2026 5:43 pm
Eye of Zyclone wrote: ↑Sun Jan 11, 2026 3:59 pm
Intelligence groups did not only say that the corpse-factory allegation was probable.
Where? Just quote this for me, nothing else.
They did more than saying that the corpse-factory allegation was probable. They outright admitted to having concocted it and planted it in newspapers for propaganda purposes. Much bigger. Stop playing it dumb and stop ignoring the parts of my comments proving you wrong.
Re: The Dec 1942 Declaration
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2026 8:40 pm
by bombsaway
Eye of Zyclone wrote: ↑Mon Jan 12, 2026 4:14 pm
bombsaway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 11, 2026 5:43 pm
Eye of Zyclone wrote: ↑Sun Jan 11, 2026 3:59 pm
Intelligence groups did not only say that the corpse-factory allegation was probable.
Where? Just quote this for me, nothing else.
They did more than saying that the corpse-factory allegation was probable. They outright admitted to having concocted it and planted it in newspapers for propaganda purposes. Much bigger. Stop playing it dumb and stop ignoring the parts of my comments proving you wrong.
This is the opposite of believing the rumors were credible, which is what I'm saying about what British and Americans internal communications were saying about the "massacres" in Poland. From the book Archie used to try to "prove" the Jews forced the allies into making the declaration
On 14 December 1942 Eden told the War Cabinet "that, while there was no direct confirmation of these reports so far as concerned the methods used, there were indications that large-scale massacres of Jews were taking place in Poland. It was known that Jews were being transferred to Poland from enemy-occupied countries, for example, Norway; and it might well be that these transfers were being made with a view to wholesale extermination of Jews."
On this basis the War Cabinet approved the terms of the proposed declaration.!4°
https://reader.z-library.sk/read/3bcaef ... 0%2Fccd950 pg 172
Re: The Dec 1942 Declaration
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2026 4:18 am
by Eye of Zyclone
bombsaway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 12, 2026 8:40 pm
Eye of Zyclone wrote: ↑Mon Jan 12, 2026 4:14 pm
bombsaway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 11, 2026 5:43 pm
Where? Just quote this for me, nothing else.
They did more than saying that the corpse-factory allegation was probable. They outright admitted to having concocted it and planted it in newspapers for propaganda purposes. Much bigger. Stop playing it dumb and stop ignoring the parts of my comments proving you wrong.
This is the opposite of believing the rumors were credible, which is what I'm saying about what British and Americans internal communications were saying about the "massacres" in Poland. From the book Archie used to try to "prove" the Jews forced the allies into making the declaration
On 14 December 1942 Eden told the War Cabinet "that, while there was no direct confirmation of these reports so far as concerned the methods used, there were indications that large-scale massacres of Jews were taking place in Poland. It was known that Jews were being transferred to Poland from enemy-occupied countries, for example, Norway; and it might well be that these transfers were being made with a view to wholesale extermination of Jews."
On this basis the War Cabinet approved the terms of the proposed declaration.!4°
https://reader.z-library.sk/read/3bcaef ... 0%2Fccd950 pg 172
The December 1942 Declaration was not a statement that there MIGHT have been a large-scale massacre of Jews in Poland and that those transfers of Jews to Poland MIGHT have been made with a view to a wholesale extermination of Jews. The December 1942 Joint Declaration by the Allies and their vassal puppets stated that numerous deported Jews HAD BEEN "deliberately massacred in mass executions" as part of a policy of exterminating Jews. Postulating that a strong Jewish lobbying on Allied governments
(in December 1942, Robert Borden Reams complained about that lobbying by the founder of American Zionism himself, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise) greatly helped to turn the "might be" into a "was," is not far-fetched. Would not have been the first time, nor the last time. Israel's mendacious intelligence played no small part in the case of Saddam Hussein's nonexistent weapons of mass destruction and the subsequent Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. Colin Powell and the Anglo-American intelligence services didn't really believe that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was involved in 9/11. They just pretended to believe it so they could fool people and start a war of aggression in defense of Israel's national interests.

Re: The Dec 1942 Declaration
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2026 1:55 pm
by Archie
bombsaway wrote: ↑Mon Jan 12, 2026 8:40 pm
Eye of Zyclone wrote: ↑Mon Jan 12, 2026 4:14 pm
bombsaway wrote: ↑Sun Jan 11, 2026 5:43 pm
Where? Just quote this for me, nothing else.
They did more than saying that the corpse-factory allegation was probable. They outright admitted to having concocted it and planted it in newspapers for propaganda purposes. Much bigger. Stop playing it dumb and stop ignoring the parts of my comments proving you wrong.
This is the opposite of believing the rumors were credible, which is what I'm saying about what British and Americans internal communications were saying about the "massacres" in Poland. From the book Archie used to try to "prove" the Jews forced the allies into making the declaration
On 14 December 1942 Eden told the War Cabinet "that, while there was no direct confirmation of these reports so far as concerned the methods used, there were indications that large-scale massacres of Jews were taking place in Poland. It was known that Jews were being transferred to Poland from enemy-occupied countries, for example, Norway; and it might well be that these transfers were being made with a view to wholesale extermination of Jews."
On this basis the War Cabinet approved the terms of the proposed declaration.!4°
https://reader.z-library.sk/read/3bcaef ... 0%2Fccd950 pg 172
It shows that you haven't actually read the literature you are attempting to comment on.
You are looking at everything with Holocaust goggles. You are looking at vague statements (even where it's admitted there's no confirmation) and are interpreting these statements as people being convinced of "the Holocaust" while ignoring all the contrary evidence and context.
William Shirer signed a petition in Dec 1942 protesting the "extermination" of the Jews (based on the Allied declaration), yet later he would claim that he didn't know about the Holocaust until Nuremberg and that it hit him like a "thunderclap" when he found out. The atrocity stories were generally heavily discounted up until the concentration camp "liberations" and Nuremberg. Thus we get mainstream historians like David Wyman remarking that in even in 1945 “apparently, the American correspondents were unaware of or disbelieved earlier reports of Auschwitz, including the much publicized one released by the WRB the preceding November.”
Re: The Dec 1942 Declaration
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2026 1:59 pm
by Archie
TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 11, 2026 11:14 am
The idea that "intelligence" groups didn't know the details of the massacre is hilarious. I mean, there was a massacre, but we don't know where or how, only that there's a corpse factory in Poland.
That's the same as saying UFO cases happen on Earth, but we don't know who they are or where they came from; in other words, they only exist in my eyeball.
Excellent point. At it applies especially well to Auschwitz which was of interest militarily (because of its industrial importance). It would also not be possible to completely seal off these camps from the outside. Auschwitz had numerous civilian contractors and the entire camp was infiltrated with the Polish underground.
Re: The Dec 1942 Declaration
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2026 2:39 pm
by Eye of Zyclone
Archie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 13, 2026 1:55 pm
William Shirer signed a petition in Dec 1942 protesting the "extermination" of the Jews (based on the Allied declaration), yet later he would claim that he didn't know about the Holocaust until Nuremberg and that it hit him like a "thunderclap" when he found out. The atrocity stories were generally heavily discounted up until the concentration camp "liberations" and Nuremberg.
True. Shirer said that he found out about the Holocaust when he heard the testimony of "a very weak and confused
(i.e. unreliable) witness" like Rudolf Höss at the Nuremberg show trial and saw horror pictures of typhus victims misrepresented as mass murder victims.
