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Re: The Gusen Cremation Time Sheet
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:58 am
by fireofice
blake121666 wrote:You aren't thinking very clearly in these replies. Regardless of the fuel channel size - which was just an off-hand suggestion - an oven being modified to use a different fuel than it was built for is likely to be less efficient than an oven specifically designed to use the fuel you are using. Such should at least be a reasonable possibility, don't you think? Why don't YOU tell me why that is not?
The second statement of yours is ridiculous. My very first post reasoned why the 40 minutes is no "minimum duration" in any reasonable way.
As I noted earlier, it should be kept in mind that Gusen II contained only adult males. No women or children were cremated in that oven.
You have to demonstrate the size of the channels for fuel were tiny to the extent that it wouldn't work for coke. I have seen big fuel pipes before, so none of that means anything. You have to demonstrate what the dimensions of these channels were and how it matters.
If I run as fast as I can from point A to point B 4 times and my total time is 40 minutes, divide that by 4 to get an average of 10 minutes. 10 minutes is the average time that I can get from point A to point B going as fast as I can. Therefore an average of 10 minutes is the minimum time it takes for me to get from point A to point B, not the maximum. The fact that you can't understand basic concepts like this is quite fascinating.
Re: The Gusen Cremation Time Sheet
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:44 am
by blake121666
fireofice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:58 am
blake121666 wrote:You aren't thinking very clearly in these replies. Regardless of the fuel channel size - which was just an off-hand suggestion - an oven being modified to use a different fuel than it was built for is likely to be less efficient than an oven specifically designed to use the fuel you are using. Such should at least be a reasonable possibility, don't you think? Why don't YOU tell me why that is not?
The second statement of yours is ridiculous. My very first post reasoned why the 40 minutes is no "minimum duration" in any reasonable way.
As I noted earlier, it should be kept in mind that Gusen II contained only adult males. No women or children were cremated in that oven.
You have to demonstrate the size of the channels for fuel were tiny to the extent that it wouldn't work for coke. I have seen big fuel pipes before, so none of that means anything. You have to demonstrate what the dimensions of these channels were and how it matters.
If I run as fast as I can from point A to point B 4 times and my total time is 40 minutes, divide that by 4 to get an average of 10 minutes. 10 minutes is the average time that I can get from point A to point B going as fast as I can. Therefore an average of 10 minutes is the minimum time it takes for me to get from point A to point B, not the maximum. The fact that you can't understand basic concepts like this is quite fascinating.
Forget about the fuel channels. That's what my last post told you?
Re: The Gusen Cremation Time Sheet
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:56 am
by blake121666
I looked through Zimmerman's take on the Gusen sheet again:
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... -disposal/
And he interprets things as he says there. Search for "Gusen" in his doc.
A somewhat broad-brush way to look at the sheet is to consider the 3 day period 6-8.11.41. In a period from about 10:00 on 6.11.41 to 10:00 on 9.11.41, (57 + 94 + 72 = 223) corpses were cremated. So 223 corpses in (3 * 24 = 72 hours) => 3.09 corpses per hour in 2 muffles => 39 min /corpse-muffle including any downtime.
It seems to me that any downtime would be simply to scrape the slag off the gasifier grates and corpses could be in the oven during such operation - just without external fuel being supplied to the muffle. So one needn't really concern himself with "downtime" per se.
The Gusen timesheet all throughout suggest this 40 minute average. The averages within it go higher and lower but one keeps getting 40 minutes as an overall comprehensive average.
Such is all that can be said about the numbers on that timesheet w.r.t. throughput. We can't say we definitively know what procedure was used to attain such throughput but it is 40 minutes which is less than 1 hour = 60 minutes.