Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:16 pm
Upon closer examination of the provided quote from Muller regarding a fan, it is apparent to me now that he is referring to crematoria I, not II or III.
Where is the corresponding ventilation hole in the 'homicidal gas chamber' situated at crematoria 1?
There were various holes in the roof.
I'll keep digging for quotes I have run across regarding fans in the ceiling of crematoria 2 and 3.
I apologize for the mistake. My point remains, this description of the facilities by Muller is bullshit, in many places.
What is bullshit about installing a fan in a hole in a ceiling, to extract gas? I see extractor fans in ceilings and walls in bathrooms and kitchens every day.
Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers was written by Muller.
To just brush this away is typical for you. I'm sure he was just being emotive and graphic or something.
The idea that the engineers could have built a system to vent hydrogen cyanide isn't the issue. They most certainly could have. The issue is that they didn't.
Where is your evidence to prove that?
They built a ventilation system more a morgue to vent decomposition gasses. The vent placement and air exchange rate are the proof for this.
The physical reality of the realized and implemented design. The unreasonably low air exchange rate for a gas chamber is even referenced in the interrogation you keep citing.
"The ventilation installation provided for a ten-times air exchange; it served to suck out the gas that had collected and pump in fresh air."
Where is your evidence that is unreasonably low and it could not have extracted enough gas to make the chambers fully gas free? Bear in mind he is recollecting the air exchange rate 2 years after he installed the system and there are reports people had to wear gas masks to stay safe when inside the chambers.
Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:16 pm
Upon closer examination of the provided quote from Muller regarding a fan, it is apparent to me now that he is referring to crematoria I, not II or III.
Where is the corresponding ventilation hole in the 'homicidal gas chamber' situated at crematoria 1?
There were various holes in the roof.
I'll keep digging for quotes I have run across regarding fans in the ceiling of crematoria 2 and 3.
I apologize for the mistake. My point remains, this description of the facilities by Muller is bullshit, in many places.
What is bullshit about installing a fan in a hole in a ceiling, to extract gas? I see extractor fans in ceilings and walls in bathrooms and kitchens every day.
It's not part of the orthodox narrative...
Nobody else describes it...
It's bullshit...
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers was written by Muller.
To just brush this away is typical for you. I'm sure he was just being emotive and graphic or something.
The idea that the engineers could have built a system to vent hydrogen cyanide isn't the issue. They most certainly could have. The issue is that they didn't.
Where is your evidence to prove that?
They built a ventilation system more a morgue to vent decomposition gasses. The vent placement and air exchange rate are the proof for this.
The physical reality of the realized and implemented design. The unreasonably low air exchange rate for a gas chamber is even referenced in the interrogation you keep citing.
"The ventilation installation provided for a ten-times air exchange; it served to suck out the gas that had collected and pump in fresh air."
Where is your evidence that is unreasonably low and it could not have extracted enough gas to make the chambers fully gas free? Bear in mind he is recollecting the air exchange rate 2 years after he installed the system and there are reports people had to wear gas masks to stay safe when inside the chambers.
A 10 times Air Change Rate takes 28 minutes, "required for removal 99% efficiency ".
Again, 10-30 air exchanges per hour are suitable for a morgue. 300 for a cyanide gas chamber.
Also, when you refer to air exchanges, it's per hour. Not per 28 minutes. Nobody measures things in 28 minute intervals. That's one of the oddest things I've seen this week.
/shrug
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 1:53 pm
Again, 10-30 air exchanges per hour are suitable for a morgue. 300 for a cyanide gas chamber.
Also, when you refer to air exchanges, it's per hour. Not per 28 minutes. Nobody measures things in 28 minute intervals. That's one of the oddest things I've seen this week.
/shrug
Re: that table in the link, I think it means that at 10 air exchanges per hour, you could, in theory, replace 99% of the air after only 28 minutes, i.e., you wouldn't need 10 full air exchanges. Probably around 5 air exchanges would do it. But that 28 minutes assumes ideal conditions which certainly would not have been the case for the hypothetical gassings.
Nessie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:15 am
A 10 times Air Change Rate takes 28 minutes, "required for removal 99% efficiency ".
No, it doesn't. Not in a room full of bodies. And not when the intake and outtake are backwards and very close to each other.
You know that with certainty how, exactly? Where is your evidence that the intake and out-take were backwards and close to each other? Yet again, you assert like you are an expert.
Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:16 pm
Upon closer examination of the provided quote from Muller regarding a fan, it is apparent to me now that he is referring to crematoria I, not II or III.
Where is the corresponding ventilation hole in the 'homicidal gas chamber' situated at crematoria 1?
There were various holes in the roof.
I'll keep digging for quotes I have run across regarding fans in the ceiling of crematoria 2 and 3.
I apologize for the mistake. My point remains, this description of the facilities by Muller is bullshit, in many places.
What is bullshit about installing a fan in a hole in a ceiling, to extract gas? I see extractor fans in ceilings and walls in bathrooms and kitchens every day.
It's not part of the orthodox narrative...
Nobody else describes it...
It's bullshit...
Assuming that Muller is the only witness who describes a fan in the ceiling of Krema I, just because he is the only one, does not make what he said "bullshit". There is no approved narrative of how the Krema I gas chambers worked. There is evidence they worked and some details about how they worked.
Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers was written by Muller.
To just brush this away is typical for you. I'm sure he was just being emotive and graphic or something.
The idea that the engineers could have built a system to vent hydrogen cyanide isn't the issue. They most certainly could have. The issue is that they didn't.
Where is your evidence to prove that?
They built a ventilation system more a morgue to vent decomposition gasses. The vent placement and air exchange rate are the proof for this.
The physical reality of the realized and implemented design. The unreasonably low air exchange rate for a gas chamber is even referenced in the interrogation you keep citing.
"The ventilation installation provided for a ten-times air exchange; it served to suck out the gas that had collected and pump in fresh air."
Where is your evidence that is unreasonably low and it could not have extracted enough gas to make the chambers fully gas free? Bear in mind he is recollecting the air exchange rate 2 years after he installed the system and there are reports people had to wear gas masks to stay safe when inside the chambers.
A 10 times Air Change Rate takes 28 minutes, "required for removal 99% efficiency ".
Again, 10-30 air exchanges per hour are suitable for a morgue. 300 for a cyanide gas chamber.
Your source for that is?
Also, when you refer to air exchanges, it's per hour. Not per 28 minutes. Nobody measures things in 28 minute intervals. That's one of the oddest things I've seen this week.
/shrug
I have shown you the source of that information. It discusses how long it takes to change the air at different air exchanges per hour.
Nessie, read some literature about ventilation and ductwork design and mitigation.
While you are at it, learn about air mixture, extraction, laminar and turbulent flow.
While you are at it, since you apparently think my experience and certifications are worthless, go get an associate's or bachelor's degree in HVAC-R technology.
I can tell you how much the air in a room weighs to the frigging grain for christ's sake.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:31 am
Nessie, read some literature about ventilation and ductwork design and mitigation.
While you are at it, learn about air mixture, extraction, laminar and turbulent flow.
While you are at it, since you apparently think my experience and certifications are worthless, go get an associate's or bachelor's degree in HVAC-R technology.
I can tell you how much the air in a room weighs to the frigging grain for christ's sake.
I am sure Schultze also knew what he was doing, as a ventilation engineer. That a functioning gas chambers existed inside the Kremas is evidenced, means Schultze is more credible than you.
In the article Stubble posted in another thread, there's this interesting quote about the expert report of engineer Gerhard Dubin. The report was apparently crucial to the aquittals and is no longer available.
In 1972, the two architects Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, who were involved in the planning and construction of the crematoria at Auschwitz-Birkenau, had to stand trial in Vienna for assisting in mass murder. The Auschwitz Museum had sent the Viennese court the construction plans of these buildings. Because the judges found themselves incompetent to evaluate these plans, they tasked the Viennese architect Gerhard Dubin, a certified engineer, to examine these designs to ascertain whether the spaces denoted by the Auschwitz Museum as execution chambers could have been used as such or could have been restructured for such use. Dubin answered “No” to both questions in his expert report. This was one of the reasons why both defendants were ultimately acquitted by the jury. Subsequently, an unknown person removed Dubin’s embarrassing (for the orthodoxy) expert report from the trial records, because today it is not to be found there. This destruction of evidence is not only grossly anti-scientific, it is also a criminal act.
