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Stubble wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 1:03 am Two methods of homicidal gassing, in the same building, at different times. Novel.

There was a separate opening in the roof for the gas to escape from the chamber. However, when the gas chamber first began operating, it turned out that the motor couldn't supply enough gas to all 10 chambers. It only supplied the first two.

Then, while the engine was being repaired, another, even more painful, method of killing was used. A significant quantity of chlorine lime* was urgently delivered to the building. A certain amount of chlorine lime was left in a wet state in a chamber, which was hermetically sealed. This process of poisoning the people in the chamber was incomparably longer, and therefore more painful. People were kept in cells for 24 hours, and even then, some sometimes remained alive.

* chlorine lime = хлорной извести
Google translates the complete phrase as "bleach" but each individual word as "chlorine" "lime"

Beginning with his 22 September 1944 interrogation, Reder mentioned graves measuring 100 m × 25 m × 15 m, something he notoriously repeated in his subsequent statements. It has remained unnoticed so far that Wiernik had made the same identical statement regarding Treblinka one year earlier:

“The mass grave had 100 m in length, 25 m in width and 15 in depth (100 x 25 x 15 = 37,500 m³).”

- Quoting the handwritten A Year in Treblinka manuscript written in various people's hands (translation on previous page of this thread)

Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:26 pm Goldfarb knew what Pravda was saying and so did Wernick.

The 'chlorine' made it into the aether. The Soviet got what they wanted to hear, which confirmed their propaganda.

One copy of the brochure, published in Polish, found its way to the village of Ceranów [about 12 km / 7.5 miles directly east of T-II]. After its liberation by the Red Army in the summer of 1944, a local resident, Fabisyan, gave it to Soviet investigators investigating Nazi crimes in the Treblinka camps. The translation was completed by Lieutenant Kazachkov by August 15, 1944. Ten days later, the typescript was certified by the records office of the Information Department of the Political Directorate of the 1st Belorussian Front. The document was then forwarded to the military prosecutor's office. On August 29, General Galadzhev, head of the Political Directorate of the 1st Belorussian Front, sent a report (registered on September 2) to A.S. Shcherbakov, head of the Main Political Directorate of the Red Army. In it, he reported on the investigation into the Treblinka camp, where, according to available data, 3 million people were exterminated – "Poles, Jews, French, Bulgarians, and other nationalities."A translation of J. Vernik's brochure was enclosed with the letter. On September 25, 1944, Guards Major of Justice Mazor, Deputy Military Prosecutor of the 65th Army, added a copy of the memoirs to the general file. Judging by the marginal notes, the Extraordinary State Commission for the Establishment and Investigation of German Crimes was most interested in those stories that referenced Katyn and the uprising of August 2, 1943. The memoirs presented did not fit with the general policy—not to single out the extermination of Jews, but to emphasize that the peoples of all Europe were victims of Nazi crimes—and, likely for this reason, they were not published in Russian.

the differences between these versions are not limited to text structure and style (the Polish version is closer to colloquial speech, with more abrupt sentences, while the English translation has given the narrative a more journalistic and coherent tone). They are also semantic: the translators omitted phrases that both added elements of imagery and emotion to the text and provided additional details. The most significant differences, in our opinion, relate to the number of gas chambers and the number of corpses destroyed: the Polish version mentions 3.5 million, which is consistent with the exaggeration of the scale of the killings by the prisoners themselves, while the first English translation omits this figure altogether. It is worth noting that many such omissions were restored in subsequent translations.

Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 1:04 am Thing is, this is mentioned by Wernick and by Goldfarb only right? So it points to them drinking from the same cup as it were.

With Wernick and Reder, the grave space is hyper specific, again, same cup.

Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 1:20 am Ultimately, it may be impossible to prove exactly where the cup sat. My current suspension is intra agency communication and an effort to 'streamline' the atrocity propaganda, ultimately with divergent opinions on how best to do that.

Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 7:27 am …Here is a wonderful video on Rumble that references Wiernik and the outside burning of bodies at treblinka.
The author of the video does a real good job of the burning at Treblinka.
Perhaps some out there may not have seen this. The video mentions some of Dean's work

Link:

pilgrimofdark wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 1:55 am

Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 1:20 am Ultimately, it may be impossible to prove exactly where the cup sat. My current suspension is intra agency communication and an effort to 'streamline' the atrocity propaganda, ultimately with divergent opinions on how best to do that.

Yeah. Warsaw was the headquarters for the Polish communist propaganda operation in the 1930s. It was reprinting materials from across Europe. Wiernik was right in the middle of it.

We know even small partisan bands in WW2 had printing presses for spreading propaganda, and were centrally coordinated by the Soviet Stavka, reinforced to some degree by the annihilation battalions.

NKVD Directive No. 33881/S from December 16, 1941, already stated one purpose would be for the Soviets to record atrocity accounts from areas it recaptured. To what extent did the Red Army reconquer an area, then put centrally-coordinated atrocity propaganda into the mouths of the local Party/Partisan operatives?

How to connect it all together into a coherent narrative? That I'm not sure about.

Inside the cabins were pipes from the engine, which carried exhaust gas from the engine into the cabins. The engine was located in the room next to the cabins. I once had the chance to examine this engine, and I clearly remember that it had the inscription "Citroen," a French company. The cabin floors had grooves for blood drainage. If the engine failed, suffocation was carried out with chlorinated lime. I myself saw a jar of chlorinated lime standing near the "bathhouses," and how the chlorinated lime was hoisted in buckets onto the roof of the "bathhouses." In these cases, the bodies of people removed from the cabins were blue. 300-400 people were herded into each cabin. I knew that it was chlorinated lime because I used to take it from that barrel myself to wash my laundry, so that it would be white. The men who removed the bodies from the cabins said that after the people were suffocated with chlorinated lime, the smell of chlorine could be detected in the cabins.

- Broni Teperman's interrogation about the process of extermination of Jews in the Treblinka death camp in 1943. September 26, 1944. Source