Majdanek this and that

[Wetzelrad]

Whoever he is, Mrozik calls Krzysztof his colleague and he has made other public appearances for the museum.

I posted it on Twitter so hopefully Rudolf will take notice.

[Booze]

You stated: I don't have a strong basis to assume this was a chamber that used Zyklon.

I have no doubt Zyklon was used in the room that you are showing.

But I do not believe that the estimate for the work or the bill for the completed work refers to the structures in this room that that you are showing.

In the book, no mention of blue stains are made in regard to the room where this work was done, which is why I said I cannot definitively state that Zyklon was used in that "gas chamber" described in the work order. (I strongly believe the work order refers to work done in a location other than B41)

I want to call attention to the fact that in the book it is stated that there are two holes that still exist in the ceiling, those two holes are noticeably different in size (as described in the book).
Although the estimate for the project and the bill differ somewhat in description, they both make reference to brickwork.
Also, in the bill it states..."connecting the draft pipes from two sides to the chimney".
We are not seeing flues running from two locations in the ceiling to a chimney in B41, we see shafts, of wood construction, going straight up and out the roof.

I would be interested in seeing again the translation of the work estimate or bill you had in your report.
Because if I recall correctly it said something to the effect of 'the building up of the chimney'.

[Fred Ziffel]

Booze
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. Regardless, the main reason for this issue being in the presentation is because I was emphasizing that Polish building contractors were doing jobs for the Germans and getting paid for it.

Wetzelrad
Thanks so much for your help
however, to be precise, it should read "lack of stains in one (smaller) gas chamber" B1 only. Germar will be aware of this and know what you are talking about.
the "A" chamber is the larger gas chamber and has the blue staining and no ceiling holes
The issue is we have a GC with blue staining and no ceiling holes and a gas chamber with a hole and no blue staining which does not make sense. Credit for this observation goes to David Cole.

[Booze]

Booze
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. Regardless, the main reason for this issue being in the presentation is because I was emphasizing that Polish building contractors were doing jobs for the Germans and getting paid for it.

The other purpose it can serve is to demonstrate that documents that used the term "gas chamber" cannot haphazardly be equated with a homicidal gas chamber.

This image gives a visual of what I believe this work order describes- a flue running to a chimney. And I'll leave it at that.
https://www.rockfordchimneysupply.com/c ... 1690395010

[Wetzelrad]

We are not seeing flues running from two locations in the ceiling to a chimney in B41, we see shafts, of wood construction, going straight up and out the roof.

Personally I can't see enough in the photos to say that. On page 149 Mattogno describes them like this:

Today, the two openings in the room’s ceiling measure approximately 60 cm × 60 cm (eastern opening) and 40 cm × 40 cm (western opening). Both hatches open into a wooden shaft in which a small chimney of wooden slats is installed; it is closed off with a lid, also of wood, on the barrack roof. Measured from the room’s ceiling, the two chimneys are approximately 1.15 m tall.

Here he says both chimney and chimneys. I take him to mean that the two shafts do actually connect before exiting the roof as a singular shaft. This would also solve the issue of the work orders referring to both a chimney and two chimneys. But it's confusing enough to read that I could be wrong. Is there a photo of the chimney from outside?

however, to be precise, it should read "lack of stains in one (smaller) gas chamber" B1 only.

Really? In the video he said "there are no traces of Zyklon-B" in chamber B2 (II). In the context that he said it, I took that to mean no stains. I guess it's a little more complicated.

[Fred Ziffel]

OK I see your point
Yes, He did mention that in the video for sure. B2 at Majdanek has been off the Majdanek State Museum List of Gas Chambers since 2005 and even earlier for Pressac. B1 on the other hand, was and still is on the Majdanek Museum List of Gas Chambers. Zyklon GC is now gone, but CO GC still remains. I kind of envy you. I have been kicked off X twice for discussing the technical issues of the Holobunga, be careful

Actually, B2 has stains that diffused through the 20cm wall from "A" Chamber. see attached

[Fred Ziffel]

I feel the two ceiling holes connected in the rafters where not visible

[Booze]

Personally I can't see enough in the photos to say that. On page 149 Mattogno describes them like this:

Today, the two openings in the room’s ceiling measure approximately 60 cm × 60 cm (eastern opening) and 40 cm × 40 cm (western opening). Both hatches open into a wooden shaft in which a small chimney of wooden slats is installed; it is closed off with a lid, also of wood, on the barrack roof. Measured from the room’s ceiling, the two chimneys are approximately 1.15 m tall.

Here he says both chimney and chimneys. I take him to mean that the two shafts do actually connect before exiting the roof as a singular shaft. This would also solve the issue of the work orders referring to both a chimney and two chimneys.

He is saying that the two wooden shafts in B41 are of different dimension. In inches, one shaft would have approximately a 16x16 opening and the other would be 24x24.
They don't appear to be significantly different in size to me, but the photos could be deceiving, so I'll take that at face value.
He says they have lids on the roof (no need for a chimney or flues to a chimney). These are the same type of structures the evil nazis were pouring zyklon pellets into at Auschwitz.

There is some very serious confusion. Take a look now at what he says about pouring Zyklon into horizontal pipes.

The pertinent cost estimate of November 18, 1942,
provided for the construction of two chimneys 0.75 × 0.75 × 1.70 m in size,
with holes to be cut through the concrete ceiling. However, according to the
invoice of January 8, 1943, only one chimney was actually built on the roof of
the gas chamber; this chimney was connected “to 2 openings in the concrete
ceiling via pipes on two sides”. There is no doubt that this was a ventilation
system; this already follows clearly from the fact that the two openings in the
gas chamber roof were installed along the extended axis of the air heater suc-
tion pipe.
The gas chamber was not intended for homicidal purposes:
For one thing, the chimney as it is described on the aforementioned invoice
from the company Michaá Ochnik could not have been used to introduce Zyk-
lon B, because the HCN-soaked pellets would have landed on the floor of the
chimney without getting into the two parallel pipes in the concrete ceiling.

He clearly envisions two flues running from a chimney to two openings in the ceiling for ventilation.
He says Zyklon pellets would drop to the foundation of the chimney, which further illustrates the physical nature of what the invoice describes


There are two different projects being conflated here.

[Booze]

I agree it's a bit confusing, but there's no doubt that the bill is referring to B41 when it says "the brick building". That is where they put in the two ceiling holes. The Soviet Commission described it like this:

On the ceiling of Chamber No. IV there are two hermetically sealable, retractable openings 20 x 20 cm in size.

Instead of seeing the logic behind it all my doubts are amplified.
I'm to assume dressing room of B41 (for revisionists the undressing room) which is not in a brick building, is without doubt the room referred to in the work order.

The Soviets said that the openings in the ceiling are 20 X 20 cm (each the same size) which would be approximately 8 x 8 inches square.
No one seems to know how to use a tape measure.
Every source has wildly different dimensions. (the Polish contractor, the Soviets and Mattogno)
It doesn't seem like the other dimensions provided by the Soviets are way off, so why are the dimensions for the openings in the ceiling so far off?
The work order and the bill don't match each other, let alone what we see on the ceiling.

If we want the contractor's description to refer to these holes, he has 0.75 x 0.75 (which must be in meters). Approximately 29 x 29 inches

In summary
Soviets- 8 x 8 inches for both holes
Mattogno- 16 x 16 inches & 24 x 24 inches
Contractor- 29 x 29 inches for both holes

[Fred Ziffel]

Watch and listen closely to this video from 3:54 to 4:33 in the video
Link:

This is an ABC news reporter with a member of the Majdanek Museum staff conducting a personalized tour of the Majdanek camp. During the time period above, they are standing before the new ovens at Majdanek. Listen closely to what he says.
Most everything he stated was a big fat lie. First it should be known that this facility did not go into service until January 1944. Second, then go to the Museum website, and it reads that gassings ended in early September 1943. This building was not even in service when the alleged gassings were being done. Seriously? People in the Majdanek Camp did not know what was going on in that building? What was the secret?

See attachment (My proof it was a lie)

Things that make you go hmmm?

In another recent video that was taken down on YT, the same Majdanek staff member stated:

That Mußfeldt lived at the crematoria because he got off on death there. I am sure he had an office there, since he was in charge of the operations of the building. But lived there when there are better quarters elsewhere? I do not think so. He may have taken a bath in warm water provided by the ovens. That is plausible. Inmates did live here too

In the room once referred to as a gas chamber (7th Gas Chamber) and is no longer a gas chamber, people were executed in the room but does not say how.

[Booze]

Excellent Fred

[Booze]

I thought that the prisoners who worked in the crematories were sonderkommando.
But that's wrong they are "carriers of the secret". lol
Does anyone have the proper spelling for that in German?

[PangaeaProxima]

I thought that the prisoners who worked in the crematories were sonderkommando.
But that's wrong they are "carriers of the secret". lol
Does anyone have the proper spelling for that in German?

I think you mean "Geheimnisträger"? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geheimnistr%C3%A4ger

[Wetzelrad]

He says they have lids on the roof

He actually says "it is closed off with a lid". I understand your interpretation, but my interpretation that he describes it singularly because it is singular is at least equally valid.

It doesn't seem like the other dimensions provided by the Soviets are way off, so why are the dimensions for the openings in the ceiling so far off?

Well, the most likely reason is that it was changed some time after their report in 1944. Possibly the Soviets altered it to make it more plausible as a gas chamber, the same as they carved holes in other roofs. Also possible is that someone took out the flue pipes during roof work or for some other innocent reason.

I am still pondering why the Ochnik bill refers to a "brick building". B41 doesn't seem to be built of any brick that I can see, so Ochnik must have been mistaken. Or if he was (contrary to Mattogno) referring to the brick bunker, then that means the room with two ceiling holes should be there in the bunker. But which two ceiling holes could this refer to? Unless again the Soviets altered them. If true, this would be a big revelation for a number of reasons.

Or perhaps you have some other theory for where the "brick building" refers to.

This is an ABC news reporter with a member of the Majdanek Museum staff conducting a personalized tour of the Majdanek camp.

Lukasz Myszala in that ABC video is given the title of archivist. The Lukasz Mrozik seen in many other videos is sometimes called a curator or translator. Are these not the same person? Unless I am faceblind they are. He echoes the same points about blue staining as in the April 2nd virtual tour. IMO we should seek out more videos that address the staining issue. Lukasz also mentioned having "research" which implies there is written material somewhere.

[Fred Ziffel]

Watch and listen from 1:28, He says there was CO gas usage in the first chamber but says nothing about Zyklon B
then
At the second chamber he states that Zyklon B was used, and it was! the big problem is there are no holes in the ceiling to drop in the pellets!! in both videos, he kinda forget to mention that little detail. No need to create the opportunity for more questions. And It is strange that the head honcho of History Dept. at the Washington DC Holobunga Museum told me in an email that the big gas chamber at Majdanek was not a Zyklon B gas chamber, but it was a CO gas chamber.

Listen from 2:05 to 2:20. Then I present this slide attachment in rebuttal

Yes, it is the same person mouthing the same BS. I often look for new videos on YT and Rumble about Majdanek. It is rare when a representative of the museum narrates, but when they do, it is treasure for me.
To the Police, the more a subject talks the more likely they will convict themselves