The murder mill Treblinka II

[HansHill]

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>Material evidence
>Muh eyewitnesses

[Nessie]

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>Material evidence
>Muh eyewitnesses

How about you list the witnesses and other evidence you have, to prove what happened at TII?

[HansHill]

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>Material evidence
>Muh eyewitnesses

How about you list the witnesses and other evidence you have, to prove what happened at TII?

Nessie in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.

He has opted into believing the testimony of liars and exaggerators rather than use critical thinking skills and observing the actual material evidence - but not only that, he in turn demands that only other people telling him that the liars are liars will suffice as evidence.

I'm so glad this charade is falling apart. Most people only believe it because they don't really know the details. No wonder people are starting to disbelieve in record numbers as soon as they hear the details and apply critical thinking! Nessie on the other hand, no such luck!

[Stubble]

Even if you took the supposed victims and turned them into a liquid and poured it into the maximum proposed grave space, they still would not fit...

You cannot shove 800,000 pounds into a 5 pound bag. It won't fit.

Being generous to the orthodoxy, there is at most space for between 120,000 and 170,000 bodies in the grave space. If crammed in sardine style.

With no top fill, 220,000 ish.

[Nazgul]

You have no evidence of 700,000 people still alive in 1944, having left TII.

You have no evidence they arrived. Remember all those train stops

[PrudentRegret]

Caroline Coll's GPR results are such an own goal. Courtesy of Blake from SSF- the covered-up areas of Treblinka are only about 1.6 hectares. Given that Colls found no significant mass graves of a corresponding size or shape to those alleged outside the covered areas, they rely on an absurd hope that 100% of the covered area covers the real mass graves. But the actual possible areas those mass graves could be theoretically is no more than 2 hectares for the burial of 700,000-800,000 people, with 1.6 hectares of that being covered areas which most certainly is not all grave space.



AFAIK the memorial stones weren't even placed in those areas based on any rigorous scientific study. The Treblinka Story is so incredibly weak it's absurd.

[Nessie]

>Material evidence
>Muh eyewitnesses

How about you list the witnesses and other evidence you have, to prove what happened at TII?

Nessie in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.

He has opted into believing the testimony of liars and exaggerators rather than use critical thinking skills and observing the actual material evidence - but not only that, he in turn demands that only other people telling him that the liars are liars will suffice as evidence.

I have just proved that you fail at the basic task of any investigation, criminal or historical. You cannot evidence what happened. In particular, you cannot evidence TII had an alternative use and the hundreds of thousands who are evidenced to have arrived at the camp, mostly left.

I'm so glad this charade is falling apart. Most people only believe it because they don't really know the details. No wonder people are starting to disbelieve in record numbers as soon as they hear the details and apply critical thinking! Nessie on the other hand, no such luck!

It is the so called revisionist charade that falls apart. Historical revisionism is normally a change from one version of events to another, which revisionists cannot do. Instead, they deny the historical version and just leave it at that, with no conclusion. Those deniers are the ones who do not really know the details, as their knowledge of the evidence, evidencing and logic is poor.

[Nessie]

Even if you took the supposed victims and turned them into a liquid and poured it into the maximum proposed grave space, they still would not fit...

You cannot shove 800,000 pounds into a 5 pound bag. It won't fit.

Being generous to the orthodoxy, there is at most space for between 120,000 and 170,000 bodies in the grave space. If crammed in sardine style.

With no top fill, 220,000 ish.

That is merely your incredulous opinion, which has no evidential value.

[Nessie]

You have no evidence of 700,000 people still alive in 1944, having left TII.

You have no evidence they arrived.

You are lying. There is evidence from Jewish, Nazi and Polish witnesses of packed trains arriving at TII and Nazi reports of transports to and arrivals at the camp.

Remember all those train stops

For which you have no evidence people got off.

[Nessie]

Caroline Coll's GPR results are such an own goal. Courtesy of Blake from SSF- the covered-up areas of Treblinka are only about 1.6 hectares. Given that Colls found no significant mass graves of a corresponding size or shape to those alleged outside the covered areas, they rely on an absurd hope that 100% of the covered area covers the real mass graves. But the actual possible areas those mass graves could be theoretically is no more than 2 hectares for the burial of 700,000-800,000 people, with 1.6 hectares of that being covered areas which most certainly is not all grave space.

In 1945 the Poles reported an area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, that contained buried cremated remains. Your "only" description ignores that even 1.6 hectares is an area larger than any mass grave site in history. No plague or other mass death has resulted in a site that large. It is the equivalent to nearly 5 football fields.

C S-C survey found a number of pits around the memorial, including pits that extend under it. So, the burial area is larger than the memorial area. The 2 hectares is corroborated and it is equivalent to over 5 football fields.

AFAIK the memorial stones weren't even placed in those areas based on any rigorous scientific study. The Treblinka Story is so incredibly weak it's absurd.

The memorial was placed where grave robbers had been most active and the ground most disturbed. As for rigorous scientific study, revisionism does not provide that. Instead, overconfident, uneducated assertions are made that there is insufficient space. Those biased opinions have zero evidential value.

[Nazgul]

You are lying. There is evidence from Jewish, Nazi and Polish witnesses of packed trains arriving at TII and Nazi reports of transports to and arrivals at the camp.

There are a number of camps in the area: Treblinka 1, Two Judenlagers, Malkinia transit camp, TII, Kosow lacki. No one is saying people did not arrive. As mentioned the presence of camps implies inmates. There is an assumption that the whole transport arrived at the final destination intact, this is not likely.

For which you have no evidence people got off.

They did not disembark at the station but the wagons with the people were separated from the main train. Some wagons were shunted near the sites of rail junctions.

The Fplo documents show only the train and the stops along the way. 99% of those stops were at either jewish labour camps or railway junctions to other camps. It is known that Jews from Sobibor for instance arrived at the camps mentioned in the Fplo documents. They arrived by train, special trains that would have had Fplo documentation. Wrongly, Hilberg and now you are intellectually blind to the fact that Fplo documents have little to do with the alleged holocaust. People have assumed for years and in my opinion quite wrongly that Jews arrived en masse to the final destination. There is no need to make multiple stops, some for almost an hour. You suggested that the stops were to allow other trains to pass, fuel and water. Those familiar with the steam rail system know that there are passing tracks for trains in the middle of no where. There are also water tanks that can load a steam train water tank in seconds at strategic locations.

Yet despite this hard evidence of stops at Jewish labour camps and the high probability of people being loaded of in their wagons you continue to ask "where did they go". You disregard the camps along the way, their purposes and so on.

Here are some of the camps en route to Treblinka, mentioned in the fahrplanordnung (time table regulations) documents, touted by Hilberg in his "death trains"

• Sędziszów...Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden

• Kielce...Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden...8 camps

• Skarzysko Kemienna...8000 in camp......

• Radom...Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden...3 camps

• Deblin...Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden...6 camps

• Lukow...Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden

• Siedlce...Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden...6 camps

• Treblinka...Zwangsarbeitslager für Juden...TI

The reply the Highland Lord presents is as follows

The camps around Siedlce were closing, often long before TII closed. Their populations were small, leaving the issue of what happened to everyone else? When they closed, the camps sent their prisoners to TII.

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Other prisoners who arrived at Sobibor not only arrived by train to some of the labour camps above but to Birkenau and 12 other labour camps. It is a mere assumption the inmates of Siedlce were murdered. Fangers and I have shown that a plethora of camps existed in the Ukraine for transport. These were temporary as they moved as the transports system developed.

As most here know there were two track to Treblinka station, from the Malkinia side, the other from Siedlce. The distance from the Malkinia station via road which then followed the old track during WWII is 10km. The old railway station was then adjacent to the Treblinka town. Fplo 567 gives a travel time for that distance 6 minutes, possible for a modern car but not a steam train with thousands of people and about 30 wagons as claimed. To think a steam train, a powerful steam train to traverse 10 km from stop to stop in 8 minutes is pure fantasy. As a kid I travelled steam trains a little further and it took much longer, very much longer and we only had a few carriages.
Here is the Fplo: