Chronology of the Holocaust

[Numar Patru]

It’s a rather large plaza.

Not sure what else you’re arguing here.

That's it? Is it big to you? Is a street corner big? Well, the order was to be there and not in the surrounding area, taking into account the call to take everything you could find.

Just as for Gerstein 40 people in a telephone booth was perfectly possible, for you 33 thousand Jews on a street corner is also

Show how big it is.

Presumably you have Google maps. Take a look yourself.

I was taking issue with your implication that it would be difficult to order Jews to gather in a recently conquered city. Why?

[TlsMS93]

Presumably you have Google maps. Take a look yourself.

I was taking issue with your implication that it would be difficult to order Jews to gather in a recently conquered city. Why?

I looked on Google Maps and there is nothing nearby that indicates a convenient location for these 33,000 Jews, and it would be a mistake to judge this based on what we have today. What do we have from that time to assess the situation in that location?

What is the difficulty? A destroyed city, without electricity, NKVD and partisans scattered around, a war that is going on longer than planned. “Oh, let's go out there and hunt Jews.”

[Archie]

Bombs, I can tell you the caliber being fired from a mile or less...

I can also assure you, had I been in that line and somebody told me that was champagne and fireworks, I could have informed them of the facts...

The book by Gerald Reitlinger is interesting because he was an orthodox author (one of the earliest in fact) yet he acknowledges some of these Holocaust "mysteries."

On Babi Yar, he says (with some understatement) “it must have taken some ingenuity to keep 33,771 people crouching in the road for two days on end, particularly as the small-arms salvos must have been almost within earshot.”

He tries to save it by adding that "almost," but the fact that he hints at the logistical difficulties is revealing. Shooting over 30,000 people in a such a short period of time without them finding out is indeed a perplexing story. Same problem with those stories where people are standing in line waiting to get thrown alive into a bonfire. Makes no sense. If you assume a vastly smaller number of people, then it becomes more believable since you could assume smaller batches and a much more reasonable amount of space between each batch. But 34K in two days ... Even if we go with BA's theory about how they had a "staging area" or whatever just out of earshot, how would you transport them to the killing site fast enough to keep up the necessary pace?

And here's another interesting remark by Reitlinger in reference to the passivity of the victims. If you bring people up to the pit and tell them to lie down on top of dead, bloody bodies, are they going to cooperate with this request or would you have a panic on your hands?

The state of mind of the victims, who meekly stripped, shovelled a layer of sand over the twitching bodies of their kinsfolk, and then lay patiently, naked in a temperature below zero, to await a shot in the neck, was nothing but the normal resignation of the condemned.

We can see from mass shooting videos how people usually react in these situations. They panic, scatter, run away, attempt to find cover. This is human nature. Some brave souls may make a move on the gunman if there's an opportunity. It is perfectly true that in some situations people don't resist their captors but usually this is because 1) they believe their captors intend to let them live and don't wish to antagonize, or 2) any attempt at resistance would be so feeble and futile that it seems pointless. Neither of these make sense given that the victims were unrestrained and would have outnumbered the gunmen by a large multiple.

[TlsMS93]

Bombs, I can tell you the caliber being fired from a mile or less...

I can also assure you, had I been in that line and somebody told me that was champagne and fireworks, I could have informed them of the facts...

The book by Gerald Reitlinger is interesting because he was an orthodox author (one of the earliest in fact) yet he acknowledges some of these Holocaust "mysteries."

On Babi Yar, he says (with some understatement) “it must have taken some ingenuity to keep 33,771 people crouching in the road for two days on end, particularly as the small-arms salvos must have been almost within earshot.”

He tries to save it by adding that "almost," but the fact that he hints at the logistical difficulties is revealing. Shooting over 30,000 people in a such a short period of time without them finding out is indeed a perplexing story. Same problem with those stories where people are standing in line waiting to get thrown alive into a bonfire. Makes no sense. If you assume a vastly smaller number of people, then it becomes more believable since you could assume smaller batches and a much more reasonable amount of space between each batch. But 34K in two days ... Even if we go with BA's theory about how they had a "staging area" or whatever just out of earshot, how would you transport them to the killing site fast enough to keep up the necessary pace?

And here's another interesting remark by Reitlinger in reference to the passivity of the victims. If you bring people up to the pit and tell them to lie down on top of dead, bloody bodies, are they going to cooperate with this request or would you have a panic on your hands?

The state of mind of the victims, who meekly stripped, shovelled a layer of sand over the twitching bodies of their kinsfolk, and then lay patiently, naked in a temperature below zero, to await a shot in the neck, was nothing but the normal resignation of the condemned.

We can see from mass shooting videos how people usually react in these situations. They panic, scatter, run away, attempt to find cover. This is human nature. Some brave souls may make a move on the gunman if there's an opportunity. It is perfectly true that in some situations people don't resist their captors but usually this is because 1) they believe their captors intend to let them live and don't wish to antagonize, or 2) any attempt at resistance would be so feeble and futile that it seems pointless. Neither of these make sense given that the victims were unrestrained and would have outnumbered the gunmen by a large multiple.

In fact, looking at Google Maps to see where they were concentrated and where the ravine is located, it is difficult to keep that horde of people from knowing what it was about. At the time, this region would have been more open and even easier to find out. No matter what anyone says, they behaved like little lambs. The same goes for the gas chambers. They had to collaborate so that the maximum number of people could take advantage of every inch of space, which is impossible in a bathing context.

[Stubble]

Perhaps tha devious and evil nazis played drums to drown out the gunshots and screaming...

Before they played soccer with severed heads, hacky sack with severed hands, bayonetted babies and ripped them in half...

While drunk...

And stealing everything that wasn't nailed down...

Before raping the dead...

Fuck it, babi yar is a fucking hoax too, and so is the bit about the German jews in Riga. At least now I can stop troubling myself with trying to find out what the hell actually happened there. Nothing happened.

I really thought I was going to get to some deep, critical, and meaningful shit in this thread. Instead, I got the absolute insanity of the orthodox narrative presented unquestioned and unironically as fact...

Nazis were evil. They set out to systematically exterminate the jews. Partisans are a myth, except they were also very successful, but nazis are bad, so they deserved to be hung from trees, skinned, disemboweled, and have their genitals shoved in their mouth. Because the nazis were nothing but a bunch of murderous, thieving necrophiliacs that wanted to kill all the jews. Except that they also lacked the stones to do it, because they were also simultaneously pussies that couldn't shoot people that they hated, raped, mutilated and stole from...

Look, the Einsatzgruppen were counter insurgency specialists and there were 3,000 of them total in theater. If you think they killed 1.7 million jews, and also did their job, you believe in fucking moon nazis and roboHitler at the center of the earth with the dinosaurs.

[bombsaway]

Perhaps tha devious and evil nazis played drums to drown out the gunshots and screaming...

Before they played soccer with severed heads, hacky sack with severed hands, bayonetted babies and ripped them in half...

While drunk...

And stealing everything that wasn't nailed down...

Before raping the dead...

Fuck it, babi yar is a fucking hoax too, and so is the bit about the German jews in Riga. At least now I can stop troubling myself with trying to find out what the hell actually happened there. Nothing happened.

I really thought I was going to get to some deep, critical, and meaningful shit in this thread. Instead, I got the absolute insanity of the orthodox narrative presented unquestioned and unironically as fact...

Nazis were evil. They set out to systematically exterminate the jews. Partisans are a myth, except they were also very successful, but nazis are bad, so they deserved to be hung from trees, skinned, disemboweled, and have their genitals shoved in their mouth. Because the nazis were nothing but a bunch of murderous, thieving necrophiliacs that wanted to kill all the jews. Except that they also lacked the stones to do it, because they were also simultaneously pussies that couldn't shoot people that they hated, raped, mutilated and stole from...

Look, the Einsatzgruppen were counter insurgency specialists and there were 3,000 of them total in theater. If you think they killed 1.7 million jews, and also did their job, you believe in fucking moon nazis and roboHitler at the center of the earth with the dinosaurs.

So if it's a hoax, those Jews got resettled? What should historians believe? Bermuda triangle situation?

[Stubble]

Perhaps tha devious and evil nazis played drums to drown out the gunshots and screaming...

Before they played soccer with severed heads, hacky sack with severed hands, bayonetted babies and ripped them in half...

While drunk...

And stealing everything that wasn't nailed down...

Before raping the dead...

Fuck it, babi yar is a fucking hoax too, and so is the bit about the German jews in Riga. At least now I can stop troubling myself with trying to find out what the hell actually happened there. Nothing happened.

I really thought I was going to get to some deep, critical, and meaningful shit in this thread. Instead, I got the absolute insanity of the orthodox narrative presented unquestioned and unironically as fact...

Nazis were evil. They set out to systematically exterminate the jews. Partisans are a myth, except they were also very successful, but nazis are bad, so they deserved to be hung from trees, skinned, disemboweled, and have their genitals shoved in their mouth. Because the nazis were nothing but a bunch of murderous, thieving necrophiliacs that wanted to kill all the jews. Except that they also lacked the stones to do it, because they were also simultaneously pussies that couldn't shoot people that they hated, raped, mutilated and stole from...

Look, the Einsatzgruppen were counter insurgency specialists and there were 3,000 of them total in theater. If you think they killed 1.7 million jews, and also did their job, you believe in fucking moon nazis and roboHitler at the center of the earth with the dinosaurs.

So if it's a hoax, those Jews got resettled? What should historians believe? Bermuda triangle situation?

Beyond the ice wall in the center of the earth with in jew Narnia next to new swabia. These Narnia jews and the moon nazis secretly control the world through a series of tunnels under chabad lubavitch centers and created the corona virus to undermine trust in institutions, that's why they released it in wuhan, to frame saint fauci and the Chinese.

The idea that jews died during ww2 is to throw you off the fact that nazis and jews run the world, you'd never suspect it. Hell, you probably can't believe it. But, just like the jew eating bear and eagle, it's true, I saw it with my own eyes, or, well, rather in my mind it was real.

Strange thing about truth, not everything that's true happened and not everything that happened is true (i may have butchered that one, but, if you know who said it, you know).

People died during ww2. Lots of people died during ww2. The Einsatzgruppen didn't fucking kill everybody...

Fuck it, I've got it figured out, I've solved the jewish question about the missing 65,000,000. When they heard people were shooting, gassing, beating, robbing and molesting jews, that 65,000,000 converted to Catholicism. That's where they went. They converted...

[Stubble]

Also the white hats and JFK are in control. Trump is the real and actual JFK's proxy...

[Nessie]

"In the period covered by the report, the towns of Nikolayev and Kherson in particular were freed of Jews."

They also stated that there were 800,000 Jews in France, and that they deported less than 10%, but that is not true; there were around 300,000. Just because the Nazis said something does not make it absolute true. There are several reports of many Jews still in Berlin during the chaos of 1945, which means that not even the nerve center of the Third Reich was empty of Jews.

According to Wikipedia, no country had a 100% Jewish death toll. The highest ESTIMATE of Jewish deaths by country is said to have been the Netherlands, with 91.5%. In fact, 45% of the Jews in the occupied countries were not affected. Could it have been only those able to work?

I would never expect any policy to produce perfect results. Fact is, that policy fits with calls to annihilate the Jews. Rather than report that the Jews of Nikolayev and Kherson were resettled, the report was that they were Jew free.

[Nessie]

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Fuck it, babi yar is a fucking hoax too, and so is the bit about the German jews in Riga. At least now I can stop troubling myself with trying to find out what the hell actually happened there. Nothing happened.

....

That is not how a chronology works. If the Jews or Kiev and Germany were not shot at Babi Yar or Rumbula, then something else happened and they went somewhere else, not "nothing happened".

Yet again you have proven that revisionism is not a genuine investigation. You just randomly stop part way through, without following a chronology of events, to find out what took place.

[Nessie]

... Neither of these make sense ...

Just because it does not make sense to you, does not mean it did not happen. To prove it did not happen, you need evidence, not your opinion. Evidence from witnesses, photos, documents, physical and circumstantial evidence, what happened to the Jews herded to Babi Yar and produce a chronology to show where they were in 1942. Failure to do that means you have failed at the basic task of any historical investigation.

[TlsMS93]

Yet again you have proven that revisionism is not a genuine investigation. You just randomly stop part way through, without following a chronology of events, to find out what took place.

It's amazing how you accuse us of something you don't do yourself. You love to extrapolate what was actually found. Just like Caroline Sturdy Colls, we found the remains of a person, so we found evidence of a mass murder.

[HansHill]

It's amazing how you accuse us of something you don't do yourself. You love to extrapolate what was actually found. Just like Caroline Sturdy Colls, we found the remains of a person, so we found evidence of a mass murder.

CSC disgraced herself by asserting (to a television audience of boomers and laypeople, nonetheless) that finding a tile = finding a gas chamber. These ideologues are not to be taken seriously.

Bombsaway, FYI i wrote out a large effortpost to your question but my laptop died. I will reply in due course!

[TlsMS93]

CSC disgraced herself by asserting (to a television audience of boomers and laypeople, nonetheless) that finding a tile = finding a gas chamber. These ideologues are not to be taken seriously.

Speaking of tiles, what happened to those chemical tests they said they would perform? How funny, they promise to test something in a documentary with no continuity.

[Stubble]

Nessie, did you just pick a statement at random out of an obviously tongue in cheek post, honestly pretty insane in content, actually believe it, and quote it as fact?

Typical...