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[bombsaway]

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SOP is an if/then kind of deal. If cremation, then sand. If mass burial, then sand between layers.

If, then

I'm making an assumption about the sop and would like to review a body handling section of a field manual.

It's an assumption without any field manual and without other examples you can point at. Only alleged extermination camps.

You can also describe a mechanism by which mass diluting would have sanitary value in some way. If 10,000 dead, the dilution would be likely be many hundreds of parts of sand to cremains to generate crematory layers the size we see at Belzec.

The disinterment at treblinka, sobibor and Auschwitz was to protect the water supply after a cross contamination at Auschwitz if I understand correctly. I don't know the water table at belzec, but assume a broad order covering the Operation Reinhardt camps as a whole. Again, if you are a boot, you don't ask questions.

I also assume this order is not extant.

If it is extant then it may explain.

What is your evidence it was done to protect water supply? W Belzec there are a few things. Number 1 the graves are very deep, 15-20 feet. Archie speculates 1 body per every 2 cubic meters which is a unnecessary. burial of 400 kg per cubic meter has been demonstrated in real world conditions, which would correspond to 10 bodies per cubic meter. The relevance here is you don't need graves that go down 20 feet. 6 feet is enough if you're only burying 10k.

THe other thing is the bodies at the bottom (closest to the water table) weren't exhumed according to Kola in many cases.

grave #3 The bottom layer consisted of putrid wax-fat transformation.

#4 The drilling was suspended at the depth of 2.30 meters because of a layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation.

#10 The grave was very deep, over 5.20 meters, and the drills were stopped because of bodies in wax-fat transformation and underground waters.

#13 There was a layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation with a thickness of about 1 meter in the bottom part

#25 The bottom of the grave contained 40 -50 cm layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation covered with a layer of lime.

#27 The bottom part of the grave consisted of nearly 1 meter thick layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation,

#32 The grave contained bodies in wax-fat transformation, covered with lime at the depth of about 3.60 meters.

So based on this it doesn't seem preserving water health was their main priority, otherwise they would have exhumed the bodies at the bottom which were the greatest threat to infecting water

[Stubble]

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SOP is an if/then kind of deal. If cremation, then sand. If mass burial, then sand between layers.

If, then

I'm making an assumption about the sop and would like to review a body handling section of a field manual.

It's an assumption without any field manual and without other examples you can point at. Only alleged extermination camps.

You can also describe a mechanism by which mass diluting would have sanitary value in some way. If 10,000 dead, the dilution would be likely be thousands of parts sand to cremains to generate crematory layers the size we see at Belzec.

The disinterment at treblinka, sobibor and Auschwitz was to protect the water supply after a cross contamination at Auschwitz if I understand correctly. I don't know the water table at belzec, but assume a broad order covering the Operation Reinhardt camps as a whole. Again, if you are a boot, you don't ask questions.

I also assume this order is not extant.

If it is extant then it may explain.

What is your evidence it was done to protect water supply? W Belzec there are a few things. Number 1 the graves are very deep, 15-20 feet. Archie speculates 1 body per every 2 cubic meters which is a unnecessary. burial of 400 kg per cubic meter has been demonstrated in real world conditions, which would correspond to 10 bodies per cubic meter. The relevance here is you don't need graves that go down 20 feet. 6 feet is enough if you're only burying 10k.

THe other thing is the bodies at the bottom (closest to the water table) weren't exhumed according to Kola in many cases.

grave #3 The bottom layer consisted of putrid wax-fat transformation.

#4 The drilling was suspended at the depth of 2.30 meters because of a layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation.

#10 The grave was very deep, over 5.20 meters, and the drills were stopped because of bodies in wax-fat transformation and underground waters.

#13 There was a layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation with a thickness of about 1 meter in the bottom part

#25 The bottom of the grave contained 40 -50 cm layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation covered with a layer of lime.

#27 The bottom part of the grave consisted of nearly 1 meter thick layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation,

#32 The grave contained bodies in wax-fat transformation, covered with lime at the depth of about 3.60 meters.

So based on this it doesn't seem preserving water health was their main priority, otherwise they would have exhumed the bodies at the bottom which were the greatest threat to infecting water

To point at it being sop, I point to Dresden, the buchenwald satellite site and other 'pyres' constructed in such a way. This implies sop.

Now, I've always found the pyres disposal story unconvincing because of the way it is presented, complete destruction because of evidentiary value. However, looking at other places and at the grave structure and contents, and also seeing evidence of this being sop, I have come to better understand the situation.

This appears to be a hygienic measure to remove fluid from corpses to protect groundwater. A primary measure to remove body fluids rather than obliteration of remains.

The fact that the graves exist and their state follows this.

This wasn't a coverup and it wasn't an effort to destroy evidence. It was a hygiene measure taken after the cross contamination of the water supply at Auschwitz and the effort was executed in a manner consistent with the prescribed method.

This supposition, while not supported by documentary evidence as of yet, is supported by a series of other examples.

Again, when a cremation is carried out in this manner, destruction is far from complete.

[Archie]

Bombs, 2 things;

1) wood ash cannot be easily and readily separated from cremains and to a large degree would have been mixed with cremains and interred.

2) there is no liquid fuel source that fits the criteria as a fuel for the open air cremation of bodies. None. You cannot use a liquid fuel for the destruction of a body in an open air cremation. Nothing burns hot or long enough. You are left with wood or coal. Coal was not used. That leaves wood.

Yes, this was discussed in the other thread. Bombs believes that bodies roasted on two rails, which would have a couple a feet between them, would allow perfect separation of the human remains and the wood. Lol.

Not all graves contain charcoal. The separation could have occurred because bodies were burnt on steel rails below which was the wood

So unless all the body parts are falling into the wood beneath, there's your separation. Testimonies like this also evidence far more use of gasoline than you adduce in your imagined version of the Holocaust you don't think happened.

Charcoal also could have been repurposed after use and not necessarily put back in the graves. There's no witness testimony that the burnt wood was dumped in the graves (which Kola's study evinces) and there's no witness evidence it was repurposed. So this is an unknown.

And how would the rails keep bones from falling through? Especially if you burn the body well enough for the bones to become friable?

Here's what Denier Bud's lamb looked like post-cremation. You can see a lot of small pieces there that would have fallen through if he hadn't used such a fine grate.


Arad: "When the fire went out, there were only skeletons or scattered bones on the roasters, and piles of ash underneath."

You'd have to manually fish the bones and finer cremains out of the smoldering ashes below and I do not see how a clean separation would be possible.

Some revisionists would say that because Kola didn't produce ANY pictures of the samples, we shouldn't accept anything he says. Speaking only for myself, I think the reporting of the samples is roughly accurate (since it would seem excessively brazen to falsify the results entirely). But I am not willing to accept an unproven claim that the cremain layers are 100% pure (if indeed that is even what Kola claimed vs simply being your interpretation).

"The contents of the pit were crematory remains and charcoal." (Grave 9)

"Over body layers there were some levels of crematory remains, mixed with charcoal in turn with layers of sandy soil." (Grave 10)

I would interpret "mixed with charcoal" to mean that they were not perfectly separated. And in other instances where he doesn't specifically mention charcoal, I would not be willing to assume 100% cremains or even anywhere close to that. Again, in aggregate, the wood ash should be the majority of the ash.

And I will again post this picture from Ohrdruf showing this sort of outdoor cremation. Perfect separation. Riiiight.



As far as his other pet theory about liquid fuels being used instead of wood, yeah, he is adopting that because he knows the wood problem all by itself demolishes his case and so he is trying to downplay that. This is really a concession on his part that the story doesn't work.

I don't think bombs has ever been camping, made fires, or cooked outdoors. If you take a big slab of meat and douse it with liquid fuel, it flares up like crazy right when you light it but it burns off almost immediately. You can't cook anything like that. A lot of the energy is wasted. Liquid fuels can be used to get the fire started but they aren't good for giving you a sustained burn.

[TlsMS93]

Honestly, there is no way in the narrative described that body ashes, which includes “bone ash,” can be separated from wood ash, especially since more wood ash is formed than body ash in this process. Most bones are cremated, only a few pieces of bone survive and are then separated and ground if necessary, but even in these cases there are bones that were not ground or anything, in other words, it was a random process of discarding bodies and not something organized and systematic.

Another thing that no one seems to consider is the humidity in the soil over all these years, what this affected in these graves, which may have caused ash to move to areas where it was not there before and formed the layers of ash or ash mixed with sand. To think that everything was as it was left in 1943 is crazy, the world does not work that way.

[Stubble]

Bombs, 2 things;

1) wood ash cannot be easily and readily separated from cremains and to a large degree would have been mixed with cremains and interred.

2) there is no liquid fuel source that fits the criteria as a fuel for the open air cremation of bodies. None. You cannot use a liquid fuel for the destruction of a body in an open air cremation. Nothing burns hot or long enough. You are left with wood or coal. Coal was not used. That leaves wood.

Yes, this was discussed in the other thread. Bombs believes that bodies roasted on two rails, which would have a couple a feet between them, would allow perfect separation of the human remains and the wood. Lol.

Not all graves contain charcoal. The separation could have occurred because bodies were burnt on steel rails below which was the wood

So unless all the body parts are falling into the wood beneath, there's your separation. Testimonies like this also evidence far more use of gasoline than you adduce in your imagined version of the Holocaust you don't think happened.

Charcoal also could have been repurposed after use and not necessarily put back in the graves. There's no witness testimony that the burnt wood was dumped in the graves (which Kola's study evinces) and there's no witness evidence it was repurposed. So this is an unknown.

And how would the rails keep bones from falling through? Especially if you burn the body well enough for the bones to become friable?

Here's what Denier Bud's lamb looked like post-cremation. You can see a lot of small pieces there that would have fallen through if he hadn't used such a fine grate.


Arad: "When the fire went out, there were only skeletons or scattered bones on the roasters, and piles of ash underneath."

You'd have to manually fish the bones and finer cremains out of the smoldering ashes below and I do not see how a clean separation would be possible.

Some revisionists would say that because Kola didn't produce ANY pictures of the samples, we shouldn't accept anything he says. Speaking only for myself, I think the reporting of the samples is roughly accurate (since it would seem excessively brazen to falsify the results entirely). But I am not willing to accept an unproven claim that the cremain layers are 100% pure (if indeed that is even what Kola claimed vs simply being your interpretation).

"The contents of the pit were crematory remains and charcoal." (Grave 9)

"Over body layers there were some levels of crematory remains, mixed with charcoal in turn with layers of sandy soil." (Grave 10)

I would interpret "mixed with charcoal" to mean that they were not perfectly separated. And in other instances where he doesn't specifically mention charcoal, I would not be willing to assume 100% cremains or even anywhere close to that. Again, in aggregate, the wood ash should be the majority of the ash.

And I will again post this picture from Ohrdruf showing this sort of outdoor cremation. Perfect separation. Riiiight.



As far as his other pet theory about liquid fuels being used instead of wood, yeah, he is adopting that because he knows the wood problem all by itself demolishes his case and so he is trying to downplay that. This is really a concession on his part that the story doesn't work.

I don't think bombs has ever been camping, made fires, or cooked outdoors. If you take a big slab of meat and douse it with liquid fuel, it flares up like crazy right when you light it but it burns off almost immediately. You can't cook anything like that. A lot of the energy is wasted. Liquid fuels can be used to get the fire started but they aren't good for giving you a sustained burn.

If jewesses are witches, that is capable of burning on their own, as described by various sources, perhaps a liquid fuel is sufficient to ignite them.

I must admit, I've never personally seen a jewess incinerated, so my opinion is just that, an opinion. That said, it is my opinion that witnesses describing jewesses as a fuel source are mistaken.

[bombsaway]

To point at it being sop, I point to Dresden, the buchenwald satellite site and other 'pyres' constructed in such a way. This implies sop.

We're talking about the bodies being exhumed, destroyed, mixed with sand, not the pyres.

This appears to be a hygienic measure to remove fluid from corpses to protect groundwater. A primary measure to remove body fluids rather than obliteration of remains.

The remains were obliterated, smashed though. I don't see evidence of fluid removal to protect groundwater, otherwise they would have removed the bottom layer of bodies, which they didn't do in many cases.

I see no evidence of SOP here, and you haven't offered any sites we can compare to. You can speculate, that's fine, but don't rely on SOP describe the mechanisms, eg diluting destroyed bodies in 100x parts of sand has hygienic value.

And I will again post this picture from Ohrdruf showing this sort of outdoor cremation. Perfect separation. Riiiight.

It's your strawman of me that I am asserting "perfect separation". But in the picture you show the bodies are still visible / intact. Therefore you can just grab them and separate, no sifting necessary. Your own evidence counters your assertions.

I'm not saying wood wasn't used because it's convenient for me, but because of the described high proportion of cremains to wood in the graves. The opposite should be true if wood was the primary combustant and dumped in the graves with the cremains. But it's not. Dresden is a counterexample to your theory that you can't do it with liquid fuel. Everything I've read about Dresden mentions liquid fuel as the main fuel source,

here's David Irving

The whole of the city centre around the Altmarkt had already
been cordoned off. relatives who stumbled across the still-impassable
streets of the inner city were waved away by police and Party
officials. Wagon loads of corpses were now being driven to the frontiers
of this cordoned area by SHD and forced labourers, and there
handed over to army drivers and officers. The wagons were driven on
to the centre of the Altmarkt, and there their terrible loads were
tipped onto the cobbled paving.

Scores of police officials were at work here, making last efforts to
identify the people, and sworn to secrecy about what was happening.
The Steel girders had been winched out of the ruins of the Renner
department store on the Altmarkt and these had been laid across
crudely collected piles of sandstone blocks. A gigantic grill over
twenty-feet long was being erected. Under the steel girders and bars


They Shall Reap the Whirlwind 235


were poked bundles of wood and straw. On top of the grill were
heaped the corpses, four or five hundred at a time, with more straw
between each layer. The soldiers trampled up and down on top of this
rotting heap, straightening the victims, trying to make room for
more, and carefully building the stack. Many of the dead children sand-
wiched into these terrible pyres were still wearing the colourful carnival
clothes that they had donned so eagerly two weeks before.

Finally gallons of gasoline, sorely needed though it was throughout
the whole Reich, were poured over the stacks of victims. A senior
officer cleared the Altmarkt square of all unnecessary by-standers, and
set a match to the heap. Once again thick black smoke coiled up
from the centre of the Dresden Altmarkt—as it had two weeks
before, and as it had indeed in 1349: history records how almost six
hundred years earlier the Margrave of Meissen, Frederick II, had
had his enemies burned at the stake here in the Altmarkt; they were the
Jews, accused of introducing the Plague. By a cruel coincidence the
burning had also fallen on Shrove Tuesday carnival day.

In the late hours of the evening the grill was re-erected over a dif-
ferent part of the square. Nazi Party officials saw to it that the ashes and
charred bones were collected and taken to the cemeteries to be
buried too.

In spite of their attempts to keep secret the fate of the victims
who had been swallowed up by the ruined emptiness of the inner city,
the story did leak out. Some citizens, risking their lives, made their way
to the Altmarkt to check on the rumours. Walter Hahn, a veteran pho-
tographer who had spent his life capturing this ‘Florence of the
Elbe’ and the surrounding countryside on film, obtained an official
pass signed by the gauleiter on February 25, and took a score of
photographs of the infernal scene in black and white and colour—pho-
tographs which helped belay the allegations that the ‘mass funeral
pyres’ were a product of Dr Goebbels’ propaganda.”

It took several small horse drawn carts and ten large trucks with
trailers to carry the ashes to the Heidefriedhof cemetery. Here the ashes
of several thousand of the victims who had thus been publicly cre-
mated were buried in a pit twenty-five feet long and sixteen feet
wide. In Colonel Thierig’s report signed in mid March is this paragraph
confirming the numbers cremated by that date:


Because of the rapid decomposition of the bodies and the excep-
tional difficulties encountered in recovering them as well as the lack
of suitable transport to convey them to the cemeteries, the
approval of the Gauleiter [Martin Mutschmann] and the city


236 APOCALYPSE 1945: The Destruction of Dresden


authority was obtained to cremate altogether 6,865 bodies on the
Altmarkt. The ashes of the victims were transported to a cemetery.
Ownerless air-raid and travel-baggage and valuables were also
salvaged by the local civil defence director.”

Sorry I'm going to go with David Irving over you when it comes to these speculations. The method described is very similar to that of the Reinhard camps, Auschwitz. I think they were done in pits, so bodies were somewhat underground which probably facilitated burning to some degree.

[Stubble]

We're talking about the bodies being exhumed, destroyed, mixed with sand, not the pyres.

We are talking past one another again.

Initial disposal, mass grave. Auschwitz groundwater contaminated. Disposal method proposed to prevent future issues. Bodies exhumed and cremated in the prescribed method.

So far as complete obliteration of the remains, I again point at the contents of the pits.

As for other examples, it is my opinion that if you were to core sample the Dresden gravesite, it would yield almost identical stratification. I say this because of the methodical nature of the strata. I admit a departure from exactitude in uniformity, and I posit this is because of an initial exhumation and cremation phase, leaving a large layer, and subsequent cremations done after leaving thin layers.

Again, supposition, but, not without merit given the evidence provided.

[bombsaway]

We're talking about the bodies being exhumed, destroyed, mixed with sand, not the pyres.

We are talking past one another again.

Initial disposal, mass grave. Auschwitz groundwater contaminated. Disposal method proposed to prevent future issues. Bodies exhumed and cremated in the prescribed method.

So far as complete obliteration of the remains, I again point at the contents of the pits.

As for other examples, it is my opinion that if you were to core sample the Dresden gravesite, it would yield almost identical stratification. I say this because of the methodical nature of the strata. I admit a departure from exactitude in uniformity, and I posit this is because of an initial exhumation and cremation phase, leaving a large layer, and subsequent cremations done after leaving thin layers.

Again, supposition, but, not without merit given the evidence provided.

Initial disposal, mass grave. Auschwitz groundwater contaminated.

Show me that this happened for this reason if you can.

As for other examples, it is my opinion that if you were to core sample the Dresden gravesite, it would yield almost identical stratification.

I don't think so. At Belzec, according to you Archie's calculations, the cremains were diluted in sand to a ratio of less than 1% cremains to sand. What's the rationale for this? You can't point to SOP so just tell me.

[Stubble]

We're talking about the bodies being exhumed, destroyed, mixed with sand, not the pyres.

We are talking past one another again.

Initial disposal, mass grave. Auschwitz groundwater contaminated. Disposal method proposed to prevent future issues. Bodies exhumed and cremated in the prescribed method.

So far as complete obliteration of the remains, I again point at the contents of the pits.

As for other examples, it is my opinion that if you were to core sample the Dresden gravesite, it would yield almost identical stratification. I say this because of the methodical nature of the strata. I admit a departure from exactitude in uniformity, and I posit this is because of an initial exhumation and cremation phase, leaving a large layer, and subsequent cremations done after leaving thin layers.

Again, supposition, but, not without merit given the evidence provided.

Initial disposal, mass grave. Auschwitz groundwater contaminated.

Show me that this happened for this reason if you can.

As for other examples, it is my opinion that if you were to core sample the Dresden gravesite, it would yield almost identical stratification.

I don't think so. At Belzec, according to you Archie's calculations, the cremains were diluted in sand to a ratio of less than 1% cremains to sand. What's the rationale for this? You can't point to SOP so just tell me.

For question 1, I point to timeline and I again ask if an order is extant.

For question 2, asked an answered. I again ask if anyone has the corpse disposal section of a German field manual, period correct, to illustrate this.

[TlsMS93]

What do the witnesses and people involved in Belzec say about how the bodies were cremated? Well, we have a disagreement here about what kind of fuel was used. Bombsaway mentions that liquid fuel was used, and to what extent? Totally or mixed with wood, more fuel than wood, or the opposite?

What liquid fuels were used? Gasoline, diesel, crude oil? And did Germany have plenty of them at that time of the war? Even if they did, they are terrible for cremating anything. Even if you threw the body in a water tank, I don't think it would have much effect. It is useful for starting the cremation with wood but not for sustaining a cremation. In fact, in Treblinka they mention that grass collected from the surrounding area was soaked in gasoline. Would the same be true in Belzec? I don't see how this evens out the issue, even if liquid fuel were used to start the cremation, the amount of wood needed would not change and neither would the Germans have the luxury of wasting fuel which was highly rationalized by an extensive bureaucracy.

[Stubble]

What do the witnesses and people involved in Belzec say about how the bodies were cremated? Well, we have a disagreement here about what kind of fuel was used. Bombsaway mentions that liquid fuel was used, and to what extent? Totally or mixed with wood, more fuel than wood, or the opposite?

What liquid fuels were used? Gasoline, diesel, crude oil? And did Germany have plenty of them at that time of the war? Even if they did, they are terrible for cremating anything. Even if you threw the body in a water tank, I don't think it would have much effect. It is useful for starting the cremation with wood but not for sustaining a cremation. In fact, in Treblinka they mention that grass collected from the surrounding area was soaked in gasoline. Would the same be true in Belzec? I don't see how this evens out the issue, even if liquid fuel were used to start the cremation, the amount of wood needed would not change and neither would the Germans have the luxury of wasting fuel which was highly rationalized by an extensive bureaucracy.

If you look at the amount of wood used at Dresden it is minimal, if you look at post process pictures of the pyres, you can note that destruction is far from complete. I admit supposition on my part, but, it is my opinion this was primarily hygienic in nature and to remove as much fluid as possible from the bodies. Basically to dry them out before burial.

[TlsMS93]

If you look at the amount of wood used at Dresden it is minimal, if you look at post process pictures of the pyres, you can note that destruction is far from complete. I admit supposition on my part, but, it is my opinion this was primarily hygienic in nature and to remove as much fluid as possible from the bodies. Basically to dry them out before burial.

I totally agree and even that wasn't done right, what Kola found is typical of a random process and not something systematized for cleaning up evidence.

Codoh has the article from the 2018 Australian experiment by Yermàn et al. on open-air cremation of euthanized pigs and revealing the need for fuel for almost total cremation of organic matter and even the need for total cremation.

The conclusion is that it is more efficient to add fuel than a self-sustained cremation, so the Jewish slave workers would need thermal protection equipment, never mentioned, otherwise they would only be able to feed the edges of the pyres. No one knows for sure how high the rails were, assuming one meter from the ground, this means that self-sustained burning was not applied. This would require 5 times more dry wood in relation to the body to be cremated to achieve almost complete destruction. If the necessary wood is to be left in the self-sustaining system, the need for dry wood jumps to 9 times what is necessary.

The bodies of these exhumed Jews would have required more dry wood since they would have been very moist and all the fat components of their bodies would have already been decomposed, leaving only the proteins and bones.

[Stubble]

If you look at the amount of wood used at Dresden it is minimal, if you look at post process pictures of the pyres, you can note that destruction is far from complete. I admit supposition on my part, but, it is my opinion this was primarily hygienic in nature and to remove as much fluid as possible from the bodies. Basically to dry them out before burial.

I totally agree and even that wasn't done right, what Kola found is typical of a random process and not something systematized for cleaning up evidence.

Codoh has the article from the 2018 Australian experiment by Yermàn et al. on open-air cremation of euthanized pigs and revealing the need for fuel for almost total cremation of organic matter and even the need for total cremation.

The conclusion is that it is more efficient to add fuel than a self-sustained cremation, so the Jewish slave workers would need thermal protection equipment, never mentioned, otherwise they would only be able to feed the edges of the pyres. No one knows for sure how high the rails were, assuming one meter from the ground, this means that self-sustained burning was not applied. This would require 5 times more dry wood in relation to the body to be cremated to achieve almost complete destruction. If the necessary wood is to be left in the self-sustaining system, the need for dry wood jumps to 9 times what is necessary.

The bodies of these exhumed Jews would have required more dry wood since they would have been very moist and all the fat components of their bodies would have already been decomposed, leaving only the proteins and bones.

Again you are assuming obliteration of the bodies. Again I point to pictures of this measure that are extant, such as the one Archie has linked, and note the lack of obliteration indicating this is a hygienic measure and not for obliteration of remains. I also point to the contents of the burial pits and their composition, containing 'soft tissues', 'hands', 'heads of hair' etc as proof that this effort was not taken to an extreme but rather executed in a prescribed method represented by other examples from the same party in the same period.

[TlsMS93]

Again you are assuming obliteration of the bodies. Again I point to pictures of this measure that are extant, such as the one Archie has linked, and note the lack of obliteration indicating this is a hygienic measure and not for obliteration of remains. I also point to the contents of the burial pits and their composition, containing 'soft tissues', 'hands', 'heads of hair' etc as proof that this effort was not taken to an extreme but rather executed in a prescribed method represented by other examples from the same party in the same period.

Yes, the cremation was not complete, which reinforces our view that there was no wood or fuel for 434,000 corpses and that those who died coming to the camp or dying in the camp only wanted to prevent the spread of diseases and not eliminate evidence of anything. After all, why did the Germans really think that the Soviets would not investigate any of their settlements in response to Katyn? This blows Aktion 1005 into a thousand pieces.

This also explains why no one took clandestine photos of these immense pyres that would have caused a sensation in the region. These cremations were smaller and probably in dispersed periods, which could explain layers of ash and mixing with sand. They threw the ashes into the sand that was removed and then threw everything in the hole.

[bombsaway]

Again you are assuming obliteration of the bodies. Again I point to pictures of this measure that are extant, such as the one Archie has linked, and note the lack of obliteration indicating this is a hygienic measure and not for obliteration of remains. I also point to the contents of the burial pits and their composition, containing 'soft tissues', 'hands', 'heads of hair' etc as proof that this effort was not taken to an extreme but rather executed in a prescribed method represented by other examples from the same party in the same period.

The descriptions of Belzec grave site 100% evidence bodies were obliterated. Not perfectly, but yeah, bone fragments, skulls were destroyed. He doesn't report finding skulls among the ashes. Specifically the repeated descriptor 'ash'. This is what the crematory layers looked like.