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[Nessie]

It is of course ridiculous to claim that the Polish Government in Exile in London was in any way less unscrupulous than the Communist one when it came to blatant propaganda lies and forgeries. An example is the testimony of Alfred Naujocks, which it certified as "true" despite such howlers like setting the date of the Gleiwitz raid more than 2 weeks before the start of the war!
https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=7100#p7100

The reason why revisionists want to downplay the role the Poles played, is that even they cannot bring themselves to believe that the Polish were responsible for hoaxing the Holocaust. It is far more believable, for them to claim it was the Jews and/or the Soviets.

Getting a date wrong, is not a significant howler. People get dates wrong all the time.

Stop babbling nonsense, of course Poles were and are eager pushers of WW2 Anti-German atrocity propaganda lies, even though it is often for their own chauvinistic purposes.

And if you proclaim that wrong dates don't matter, well I guess then you have given up any rational defense of your position. Anyway, here is not so much the fact that Naujocks made extremely blatant errors (Can you find the others besides the timeline issue? There is one medium sized and another whopper in the few lines) in creating his fictional story important, but that the Polish Exile Government gave this story its stamp of approval. This invalidates of course all the other stuff that they have peddled.

Subsequent evidence gathering, post war, has confirmed the mas murder claims made by the Polish Government in Exile. The errors made by intelligence gatherers during the war have been identified. A more detailed and accurate history has been determined.

Revisionists can bleat all they want, as they are not really revisionists at all, as they cannot produce a revised history. That is why they are usually deferred to as deniers.

[Nessie]

HansHill;

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He has repeatedly shown that revisionists do not need or even tend to invoke muh-forgery, and it is rarely if ever, invoked. A much more satisfactory rebuttal to any given claim is invoking it's own internal weakness via impossibility, improbability, contradiction or inconsistency.

That is a rebuttal based on opinion and argument, rather than evidence. If you want to rebut claims the Kremas were used for gassings, then use evidence to prove what they were used for.

Another example to add to the inflated volume phenomenon is Hoess's affidavit. Revisionists can simultaneously acknowledge the document as "authentic" in its origin while being overinflated 4x (by extension having little accuracy)

Nazis over reporting how many Jews they had killed, is not the win you think it is. There is an obvious reason why they would over report, to impress the most senior of the Nazis, and they are clear that they are mass murdering Jews.

[Nessie]

Has it never dawned on so-called revisionists, that after so many years, they still can find only one inconclusive report of someone possibly being transported through an AR camp to be resettled in the east, and what that means to their theory of millions being resettled?

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For the resettlement thesis, it has been challenged to find one person transited through the Reinhardt camps to the east. A while back, it was claimed that one was indeed found, Siegmund Rothstein.

[Nessie]

As for evidence of mass resettlement in the east, there is none, so so-called revisionists concentrate on doubting the evidence mass murders were taking place there.

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But let's say, hypothetically, that you were able to show truly overwhelming evidence for your 2,000,000 number. What then? Most revisionists would presumably concede those killings. However even that extreme scenario would not automatically resolve the questions over the gas chambers and death camps and that is frankly what most people are interested in. Those areas could still be contested. That's why I see your Einsatzgruppen focus as somewhat irrelevant. To be clear, it's fine to discuss it but it's weird for you to continue avoiding all other areas. Given the current state of evidence we don't have to concede your 2,000,000 shootings.

There is overwhelming documentary, eyewitness, circumstantial and other evidence to prove multiple mass shootings were taking place across Eastern Europe. That some of the numbers are likely to be estimates, exaggerations and wrong, does not negate the evidence of the mass shootings.

We know that the Nazi motive was to rid Europe of Jews and the majority lived in the East. Anti-Semitism was also strong in the east, and so the Nazis found they had a lot of support and assistance for their policy. Revisionists accept the Jews were an enemy force, often operating as or with partisans and so they would be subject to execution. I am not sure how far revisionists accept that there was a policy of Lebensraum and the Nazis wanted the east to be Jew free for German settlers to move and farm there. How could Germans live and work safely, with a constant Jewish threat? Of course, the threat had to be removed and documents confirm that.

Within that backdrop, it is inconceivable as well as unevidenced, that millions of Jews were being resettled as opposed to being executed.

[HansHill]

Imagine waking up, running to your computer, and reading 51 pages of Nessie posts.

[Nessie]

Imagine waking up, running to your computer, and reading 51 pages of Nessie posts.

If anyone did and they understand evidencing and logic, they will see why I have been quarantined. The so-called revisionists cannot produce an evidenced, chronology of events to revise the history of what happened to the Jews in Nazi occupied Europe during WWII and they rely on logically flawed arguments to dispute the evidence of mass murders, particularly gassings.

[HansHill]

Why have you been quarantined, Nessie?

[Nessie]

Why have you been quarantined, Nessie?

It was because you lot all got fed up with me repeatedly pointing out the flaws in so-called revisionism and the illogical arguments it relies on. Archie got really fed up with all the times I posted to point out that an argument from incredulity had been used. It was repetitive, but revisionists repeatedly rely on that logically flawed argument, when they claim the mass gassings, graves and cremations were a physical impossibility and could not have happened.

Sanity Check, bombsaway and others have not been quarantined, because they argue with revisionists over the evidence, an argument they feel is their strength. Revisionists like to argue why the evidence of the witnesses is supposedly riddled with lies, how a document about liquidating Jews is not about killing them and how the lack of obvious staining on what little is left of the gas chamber walls, is evidence they were never used as gas chambers.

Revisionists are far weaker, when it is pointed out to them that they are not revisionists, how they ignore science when it comes to assessing witness evidence and their illogical arguments. If Sanity Check and others switched to those arguments, they would be quarantined as well.

[HansHill]

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=20962#p20962

I assume all of your key winning arguments are contained within your pinned and stickied essay on the top of the debate forum?

[Nessie]

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=20962#p20962

I assume all of your key winning arguments are contained within your pinned and stickied essay on the top of the debate forum?

In my essay I explain how history is normally investigated and the flaws in the so-called revisionist arguments. The historians win on the evidence, as they can evidence what took place, whereas revisionists cannot. Your biggest mistake is to think you can argue the Holocaust did not involve mass killings, whereas you need to be able to evidence there were no mass killings.

[HansHill]

Why were you permitted to have an essay?

[Nessie]

Why were you permitted to have an essay?

Because it was an open call for essays and Archie was open to essays from both sides;

"Why should an anti-revisionist bother with this?" Because you are being generously granted a space on a major revisionist website to lay out your side's case. No tricks. It will even be pinned/stickied here on the Debate board which will ensure visibility.

Are you able to counter the points I raised about the revisionist failure to produce a history, their unscientific assessment of the witness evidence and constant use of logically flawed arguments in lieu of evidence?

[Nessie]

New member;

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I've read so much literature that in this case I cannot remember where I heard it, only that I remember reading that the shoes were actually donated by caring German citizens for the Jews in the work camps.

This may or may not be true but it fits with what I know about our people.

So speaks someone who clearly has no research or investigatory skills.

[Keen]

How a revisionist sustains their belief there was no murder of millions of Jews by the Nazis during WWII;

BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II

Are the remains of 2.145 million Jews really buried in the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves?

(The labeling of asking this legitimate adjudicable question as “hate / antisemitic” is your first clue that they do not want you to know what the answer is.)

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

[Keen]

Revisionists can bleat all they want, as they are not really revisionists at all, as they cannot produce a revised history. That is why they are usually deferred to as deniers.

“HUGE MASS GRAVES” are easily identifiable physical entities.

I refuse to believe in the existence of any physical entity that I am not allowed to see.

If you want me to believe, then simply: Show me that which you allege I deny.

A - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people. (That is less than one tenth of one one thousandth of one percent of the alleged mass murder.)

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

What are you waiting for nessie?

What are you so afraid of?