According to most media, Russian, American, or from elsewhere, Russia and the US are rivals, even enemies. But I seem to remember having read in the old RODOH forum that both countries are actually controlled by the same people (the Illuminati, international Jewry or whatever they're called). At first, that didn't seem to make much sense. But the post in question claimed that it was the American deep state who brought Putin to power, using Henry Kissinger as their intermediary. To my big surprise, it turns out that Kissinger and Putin were indeed very good friends long before Putin rose to power. Which seems to strongly suggest that there's more to the US-Russia relation than meets the eye. Do you know anything about this?
I'm a regular reader of rt.com, and I tend to root for Russia, Iran, etc., in their conflicts with the US, Israel, etc. But I often have the uncomfortable feeling that I'm being duped. Specially when I read articles like this one, which use holyhoax propaganda to supposedly attack Israel and zionism.
Are the US and Russia really enemies?
Re: Are the US and Russia really enemies?
It's not necessarily a static thing. The Americans could have supported him at one point but things can change.
I believe US media and diplomatic circles were fairly favorable toward Putin initially. It was probably not until around ~2008 or so that things started getting more adversarial. I would have to research it to reconstruct a proper timeline, but certainly by 2014 Putin had become a great villain in Western media.
The US has given Ukraine over $150 billion to fight against Russia, so I doubt very much that Putin and the US are secretly allied.
Russia definitely has their version of the Holocaust but it's a bit different than it is elsewhere. They are very bought in on WWII as a national myth. The "Great Patriotic War," they call it. Their glorious triumph over the fascist invaders.
I believe US media and diplomatic circles were fairly favorable toward Putin initially. It was probably not until around ~2008 or so that things started getting more adversarial. I would have to research it to reconstruct a proper timeline, but certainly by 2014 Putin had become a great villain in Western media.
The US has given Ukraine over $150 billion to fight against Russia, so I doubt very much that Putin and the US are secretly allied.
Russia definitely has their version of the Holocaust but it's a bit different than it is elsewhere. They are very bought in on WWII as a national myth. The "Great Patriotic War," they call it. Their glorious triumph over the fascist invaders.
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Re: Are the US and Russia really enemies?
That's roughly the mainstream media account, and it might be correct. Not everything the mainstream media says are lies. But it's at least remarkable that Kissinger, arguably the most influential diplomat in American history, was (to the best of my knowledge) close friends with Putin since the early nineties, when Putin was just a city major, until Kissinger's death in 2023.
This topic seems to be related to the idea that there is a group of elites, sometimes called the Illuminati, who control the main governments of the world. Apparently, this idea was introduced by a Fritz Springmeier in his book "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave", which you can find here. A quick look at the book suggests it's not very grounded. Still, I know almost nothing about this kind of idea. Maybe I'm missing something.
Finally, the RT article I mentioned earlier is remarkable in a disturbing way. On the surface, it seems to be a very strong critique of Israel. It starts with a sensible metaphor that compares Israel and the Israeli government to a gang of mafia criminals. Then it briefly mentions some of the worst crimes those criminals have committed in recent times. So far, so good. But then it turns to orthodox zionist propaganda: "we now rightly celebrate those who openly stood up against the Nazis where they held power and committed their crimes, including a genocide of Jews". Is it possible that an author who sees the criminality of Israel so clearly, also completely fails to see the root of all that criminality, i.e., the holyhoax propaganda? It seems at least difficult to believe. They say you shouldn't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. But the author of this article doesn't seem stupid. He's a PhD. Which suggests that the only explanation left is malice.
This topic seems to be related to the idea that there is a group of elites, sometimes called the Illuminati, who control the main governments of the world. Apparently, this idea was introduced by a Fritz Springmeier in his book "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave", which you can find here. A quick look at the book suggests it's not very grounded. Still, I know almost nothing about this kind of idea. Maybe I'm missing something.
Finally, the RT article I mentioned earlier is remarkable in a disturbing way. On the surface, it seems to be a very strong critique of Israel. It starts with a sensible metaphor that compares Israel and the Israeli government to a gang of mafia criminals. Then it briefly mentions some of the worst crimes those criminals have committed in recent times. So far, so good. But then it turns to orthodox zionist propaganda: "we now rightly celebrate those who openly stood up against the Nazis where they held power and committed their crimes, including a genocide of Jews". Is it possible that an author who sees the criminality of Israel so clearly, also completely fails to see the root of all that criminality, i.e., the holyhoax propaganda? It seems at least difficult to believe. They say you shouldn't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. But the author of this article doesn't seem stupid. He's a PhD. Which suggests that the only explanation left is malice.
That's a strong point, and I can't think of any sensible counterpoint. Still, it doesn't seem to be enough to dispel the feeling that something doesn't quite add up.