Saint Maximillian Kolbe

[WW2History]

So what's the story? Lethal Injection? His Chronic Tuberculosis? He died 1941, surely some documentary evidence beyond "Heart Failure" exists?

[Hektor]

https://archive.org/details/Sterbeurkun ... ilianKolbe

Except this there are plenty of stories being told, which go back to a few people it appears.

They even claim to have hair of his beard which can be venerated by Catholics....
https://www.papalartifacts.com/january- ... ian-kolbe/

Even if real, this won't prove anything of course....

[WW2History]

Thanks for the actual death certificate, people argue the heart failure is from a lethal injection, and Roman Catholics refuse to believe otherwise.

Is this the only documentary evidence around Kolbe?

I found these documents but I do not know exactly what they are?
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I actually noticed Kolbe used to hang out with a lot of German soldiers

Photo of Kolbe with German Soldiers

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I also do not know where these documents are from mentioning Kolbe? These seem different from the archive one you sent?

[Hektor]

Thanks for the actual death certificate, people argue the heart failure is from a lethal injection, and Roman Catholics refuse to believe otherwise.

Is this the only documentary evidence around Kolbe?

I found these documents but I do not know exactly what they are?
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I actually noticed Kolbe used to hang out with a lot of German soldiers

Kolbe is actually a German surname. Plenty of Wehrmacht soldiers were Catholics.
Some may even had have relatives in Poland.

And yes... The documents do not support nefarious causes of death... So they simply claim that the authors were lying and that their unproven story is still true. But don't we know that from the Holocaust narrative anyway?

[ACF]

As a Catholic Kolbe's death story never made any sense but I went along with it until I learned about the holocaust lie. It led me into a deep dive to understand the situation in Poland and learn more about his monastery.
He was at least half German. He created his Militia Immaculata to combat bolshevism, judaism and freemasonry. His monastery was affiliated with the far-right Polish Catholic-Fascist party the National Radical Camp.
It never made sense that the Germans would want to kill him, since he would be an asset to them. The Germans tried to ally with the National Radical Camp party.

The Polish Catholic hierarchy made an agreement with the German military to ensure there was at least 1 Polish Catholic Chaplain in every concentration camp where Poles were taken.

Several of his monastery brothers joined the Wehrmacht. If the Germans were so evil and hated Catholic Poles, why would these priests join the Wehrmacht?

It's claimed Kolbe and his monastery "hid" 2,000 jews from the Germans. However when I contacted Kolbe's monastery, they gave me their history and said the German military used his monastery as an administration centre. His monastery was is the middle of the village and right next to the train station. With German guards everywhere in such a prominent location it would be impossible to hide 2,000 jews. So that is a lie.

There's contradictions in his arrest. The common one is that Kolbe was arrest for opposing the Germans during the occupation. But then another story says that he was falsely arrested based on lie told by an ex-member of his monastery who had a grudge because Kolbe dismissed him because he was having an affair with a nun. So official reason for his arrest is murky, since official documents just say he was there under protective custody. You don't put criminals into protective custody. Protective custody is for protecting people from outside harm.

I read Witold Pilecki's diary/memoir of being in Auschwitz. He was a Polish soldier to snuck into Auschwitz and set up a resistance organization to produce atrocity propaganda. The people in the resistance eventually got into administrative control of Auschwitz. His diary says they would use lethal injection to kill people who refused to take part in their resistance activities and might expose them.

In his diary, he claim that an unnamed "old priest" took the place of a young soldier that was sentenced to die. This seems to be an allusion to Maximilian Kolbe taking the place of Franciszek Gajowniczek. But when you look at the ages of Kolbe and Gajowniczek, Kolbe was 47 at the time and Gajowniczek was 41. Gajowniczek was hardly a "young soldier. So Witold Pilecki just made up a story to appeal to Catholic Poles.

Another story that contradicts the "evil germans against kolbe" narrative is the story of the polish boxer Tadeusz Pietrzykowski in Auschwitz. According to his history, Kolbe was being beaten by Jewish Communists in Auschwitz and a German S.S. officer told Pietrzykowski to go save Kolbe's life.

While none of this is conclusive evidence, but having a clearer picture of what was happening in Auschwitz and Kolbe's history, I've come to the conclusion that he was taken into protective custody because he was an internationally famous catholic priest who opposed the jews and communists (who were doing violence in Poland). He worked in Auschwitz as a chaplain. Either he was asked by Witold Pilecki's resistance group to join them and refused, or else he else he discovered their plans and was ready to expose them - but it was the resistance group that killed him.

Let me know your thoughts.

[Hektor]

As a Catholic Kolbe's death story never made any sense but I went along with it until I learned about the holocaust lie. It led me into a deep dive to understand the situation in Poland and learn more about his monastery.
He was at least half German. He created his Militia Immaculata to combat bolshevism, judaism and freemasonry. His monastery was affiliated with the far-right Polish Catholic-Fascist party the National Radical Camp.
It never made sense that the Germans would want to kill him, since he would be an asset to them. The Germans tried to ally with the National Radical Camp party.

The Polish Catholic hierarchy made an agreement with the German military to ensure there was at least 1 Polish Catholic Chaplain in every concentration camp where Poles were taken.

Several of his monastery brothers joined the Wehrmacht. If the Germans were so evil and hated Catholic Poles, why would these priests join the Wehrmacht?

It's claimed Kolbe and his monastery "hid" 2,000 jews from the Germans. However when I contacted Kolbe's monastery, they gave me their history and said the German military used his monastery as an administration centre. His monastery was is the middle of the village and right next to the train station. With German guards everywhere in such a prominent location it would be impossible to hide 2,000 jews. So that is a lie.....

It indeed sounds like tell-tall-tales again.

It reminds me of Corrie ten Boom claiming to have 'rescued 100 Jewish babies one day'.

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[...] I've come to the conclusion that he was taken into protective custody because he was an internationally famous catholic priest who opposed the jews and communists (who were doing violence in Poland). He worked in Auschwitz as a chaplain. Either he was asked by Witold Pilecki's resistance group to join them and refused, or else he else he discovered their plans and was ready to expose them - but it was the resistance group that killed him.

Let me know your thoughts.

I'm skeptical. Is there any solid basis to believe that people were taken to Auschwitz for their own protection, or is it just something that sounds possible?

Likewise, Kolbe being killed by the Polish Underground is hard to believe, but if you're right that they confessed to executing people then it's a viable theory.

The most relevant fact to Kolbe's death and circumstances are the existence of x-ray records in the documents recovered from Auschwitz. In 1983 an author by the name of Else Löser revealed this:

The death records were lost [actually not released by this time], of course, but the X-ray records survived. According to these records, Kolbe was X-rayed on two occasions, on 28 July 1941 for the last time! The witness speaks of confinement in a dark cell for 3 weeks, from July to 14 August 1941. That means that Kolbe was taken out of his dark cell to be given a quick X-ray, just before his intended murder! What curious people these Germans are!

The fact that Kolbe was X-rayed on 28 July 1941 proves that his active tuberculosis was given medical treatment, and that he was not held in any “death bunker”, since it is inconceivable that the Germans would have taken him out to X-ray him.

https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... iterature/

Since the x-rays can only mean Kolbe was given medical treatment, there should be no more argument on his supposed execution. It didn't happen. A recent podcast episode from the Auschwitz Museum also confirms the veracity of this evidence:

His stay lasted for several weeks. Within this time, he was taken for a few x-rays. We know that he was suffering from tuberculosis, he contracted this terrible disease in Italy, Rome during his studies, and then after he returned to Poland, because of his condition, collapsing condition, he was sent for few spas, mainly to Zakopane for the recovery. But that was a constant trouble in his life. He was even, as the biographies are saying, a person with one lung. This is why his breathing and the fact that he was contracting infections so frequently was very clear, because of this disease. Each x-ray here in the camp was about the lungs and only on one we do have information what happened, and it is written that he had a bad lung infection.

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/education/ ... ian-kolbe/

Still the Auschwitz Museum is trying to uphold the narrative of Kolbe's execution by stringing together disparate witness testimonies. Their podcast expert, apparently recognizing the contradiction demonstrated by Löser in the above quote, attempts to claim that Kolbe was in a cell for only "around two weeks", thus creating just enough space for Kolbe to get out of the hospital and into a cell. They did this by ignoring Bogowiec's statement that it was "3 weeks". To me this says the Auschwitz Museum does not find Bogowiec credible.

Since Kolbe had had incurable tuberculosis for around 20 years, and then "a bad lung infection" just before his death, it makes sense that he died of poor health. He probably never left the hospital, hence why the podcast expert admits his name does not appear as it should in the documentation for block 11.

Karl Radl has raised the theory that Kolbe may have been sent to Auschwitz specifically for medical treatment, as he otherwise should have been sent to Dachau like other priests. Radl further suggests that since phenol was at that time a common treatment for myocarditis, Kolbe may have been treated with it, and the resistance may have used that real nugget of info in their atrocity stories.

[ACF]

Yes, originally I thought he died of disease, however I think it would have been difficult to sustain the lie. However if partisans murdered him and they were the winners of WW2, it would be easier to transfer the blame onto the Germans with little problem.

Also Poland came under communist control, saying that the Germans murdered him when in fact it was the partisans/communist would be a way to prevent accusations of them being fascist sympathizers and therefore targets of severe persecution.

Another thing that points me to that direction was Vatican newspaper L'Osservsatore Romano wrote a eulogy on the one year anniversary of Kolbe's death in 1942. Meaning they were informed about his death early on.

The wording is vague, but it's wording discussed his life being cut short in the tragedy of war, which doesn't seem like death due to a long term illness.

[Wetzelrad]

Here is the passage from Pilecki's report about killing Germans with phenol injections:

Sometimes the camp authorities sent their informers to us. Some volksdeutch pretending to be a Pole, who agreed to work for Grabner, wanted to detect something at our place; before or just after his arrival to us he was announced by our colleagues who had some contacts with SS-men. Such a gentleman received croton oil procured by us from the hospital, which was smartly added to his food and soon afterwards his stomach got such disordered that he ran quickly to HKB to get some medicine. There, people forewarned of that scoundrel (and having his number put down), upon his arrival gave him some drops of croton oil in a harmless medicine. After several days he was so weak that he went to HKB again, where he, recumbent, received a supposedly indispensable injection, harmless in itself if not done with a rusty needle.

Two other cases had more flavour of a sensation. In the former one, when such gentleman had already been placed in HKB, his lungs were X-rayed and the picture shown open tuberculosis (it was not a picture of his lungs). On the next day, when Klehr inspected the rooms, it was presented to him as a TBS case. It sufficed; he put down his number. That gentleman was unaware, but when he was led to the needle he began to fling about and to make threats of Grabner. The latter case was nearly identical, but he was a newcomer to the camp and while going to the needle he knew nothing and made no threats of Grabner to anybody. He was unexpectedly done away with a needle.

https://archive.org/details/WITOLDREPORT/page/n60/

Pretty remarkable that he talked about an X-ray of the lungs which exhibited tuberculosis, here. If he wasn't thinking about the murder of Kolbe when he wrote this, it's a very strange and unlikely coincidence.

And this is not the only skulduggery he and his associates got up to, if the report is to be believed.

[ACF]

Thanks for posting the excerpt from Witold Pilecki's report.
From what I can see, Pole's celebrate his report. I've listened to some of their historians on youtube, and they openly celebrate their history of engaging in "conspiracies".

These kind of actions are downplayed in Anglo-American understanding of the war since it undercuts the "good war" narrative by seeing the activities of Polish resistance in the camp as being less than innocent.

[ACF]

I found this interesting tidbit of information from a Polish website:

"After the capitulation of Warsaw on September 28th, 1939, most of the military chaplains were sent to prisoner-of-war camps to serve as priests."
https://mt514.pl/en/projects/you-shall- ... kowalczyk/

This would explain why not all priests were taken to Dachau.

Then there is this Polish website discussing what the Polish clergy were doing in 1942:

"Thus, in 1942, the priests of the Society of Christ managed to obtain permission from the German authorities in Kraków to carry out pastoral work in the so-called dulags – transit camps for Poles deported to the Reich for forced labor. Ultimately, all the transit camps in the General Government received chaplains, mostly from among the priests of the Society of Christ."

Not directly related to Kolbe, but shows the Germans were not targeting Poles for being Polish and Catholic priests for being Catholic. They seemed intent on looking after the spiritual needs of Poles as best as could be done during wartime.

http://www.patrimonium.chrystusowcy.pl/ ... biografia/

So we have the Germans in 1939 before Kolbe's death recruiting priests to minister to the concentration camps that had Poles as well as agreements in 1942 after Kolbe's death between the Germans and Polish Catholic clergy.

Thanks for the actual death certificate, people argue the heart failure is from a lethal injection, and Roman Catholics refuse to believe otherwise.

Is this the only documentary evidence around Kolbe?

I found these documents but I do not know exactly what they are?
(sent in my next reply, couldn't add more attachments to this one)


I actually noticed Kolbe used to hang out with a lot of German soldiers

Kolbe is actually a German surname. Plenty of Wehrmacht soldiers were Catholics.
Some may even had have relatives in Poland.

And yes... The documents do not support nefarious causes of death... So they simply claim that the authors were lying and that their unproven story is still true. But don't we know that from the Holocaust narrative anyway?

[Hektor]

Thanks for posting the excerpt from Witold Pilecki's report.
From what I can see, Pole's celebrate his report. I've listened to some of their historians on youtube, and they openly celebrate their history of engaging in "conspiracies".

These kind of actions are downplayed in Anglo-American understanding of the war since it undercuts the "good war" narrative by seeing the activities of Polish resistance in the camp as being less than innocent.

I found many poles acting quite strangely and childishly in this regard. On the one hand they love to play the eternal victim narrative, but when they can't hide Polish aggressions, they celebrate this on the one hand, denying any polish wrong doing on the other....


They are the opposite of many Germans in this, who are obsessed with finding fault with their own nation....