The Official Historical Chronology of Sobibor

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I was watching the new interview posted on CODOH today;


Casey Whalen’s Podcast Interview with Germar Rudolf
https://codoh.com/library/document/case ... ar-rudolf/

And I ran in to something interesting I have apparently missed over time. At around timestamp 47:20.00 Germar mentions that the witness accounts for Sobibor were thrown out and the judge created the engine exhaust homicidal gas chambers narrative whole cloth.

I was surprised.

Has anyone collated the relevant information already in a way that it could be presented here, kind of in order? If not, as time goes by I will collect the information and put it into a 'timeline' format for others to review.

[Wetzelrad]

I haven't done the necessary reading on this. I will just share this quote from Rudolf in his own words.

It goes without saying that the testimonies existing or known in 1947 did not lend themselves to writing a coherent, credible narrative about what happened at Sobibór. Hence, Polish investigative judge Zdzisław Łukaszkiewicz decided during that year to discard without exception all witness accounts on Sobibór, and to rewrite the camp’s history from scratch himself. He decreed ex cathedra that mass murder at Sobibór occurred using engine-exhaust gases. No more chlorine, Zyklon B or electrocution, and no more collapsing floors with carts beneath. [...]

This invented, carbon-copy Sobibór narrative was to become the pattern around which all subsequent official statements, scholarly publications and later witness testimony in the 1960s and beyond would coalesce.

Nazi Gas Chambers: The Roots of the Story by Germar Rudolf, pp.50-51
https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/nazi-gas-chambers/

This exact problem is the primary topic of the book. Rudolf does put some events in order but not as a timeline that can be easily understood.

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I'll keep working on a solid post with regard to the chronology. In the meantime, I ran across this and was unsure where it would best fit. If this post would fit better in another thread, mods, please move.

Video:

Holocaust Survivor Stories from Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec



This video explores the various testimony and inconsistencies there in as well as the incongruency with the modern narrative as it is told.

[borjastick]

Excellent stuff Stubble. I haven't seen this film before and thoroughly enjoyed it. I learned so much about how young children can be set alight with just a match and blood acts like fuel and burns easily.

The reliability of these witnesses is beyond reproach and proves beyond any doubt that the Germans mass murdered the jews at camps like Tremblinka...

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I understand it is redundant, many people are still unaware of this ridiculousness, and the music ain't horrible.

They can't all be zingers man.

I'm taking a dive on 'wild' T4, so, this chronology is going on the back burner for a while. I'm not abandoning the project, it is just behind T4 and deportation east.

For the record, presentations on 'The Bug River Camps' are few and far between. When I find them, I like to share them.

[pilgrimofdark]

I don't have much to add to this yet, but here are a couple of interesting maps that put the Sobibor area in context.

A nicely color-coded map of the Ostbahn jurisdictional limits is available from the Archiwum Narodowe w Krakowie. It can be zoomed in more by going to the website.


Archiwum Narodowe w Krakowie 29/663/0/7/1288

Sobibor is just slightly south of the railway that crosses the border of the Generalgouvernement just east of the town of Włodawa into RVD Kiew.

The next map adds more detail to this particular region.

This is a German secret military map of the Włodawa region. Sobibor is a little south. It indicates paved roads and labor sites in the area. It's dated from 1944.

The railroad north from Sobibor crosses into RVD Kiew, so outside of the jurisdictional limit of the Generaldirektion der Ostbahn (Gedob). It even bypasses Włodawa entirely, skirting along the east bank of the Bug River to the north.

Other maps tend not to indicate how close Sobibor and the other AR camps were to internal district or external jurisdictional limits of the Ostbahn or Generalgouvernement.

The Polish OBÓZ ZAGŁADY W SOBIBORZE investigatory report from 1947 is online if anyone wants to extract the text and translate it.

I wonder if much of the official chronology bounces back to the Ringelblum Archive in Warsaw.