Quantify the volume of disturbed ground at the death camp sites.

[Nessie]

Belzec - 21,000m3. Source;

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... eview.html

TII - 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, so 140,000m3, but that is just for the mass grave area of the camp and it is the total area that the mass graves are in. The actual volume of the mass graves, is less. The volume dose not count mass graves witnesses located in the Lazarette. Source;

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... eview.html

Sobibor - total to be calculated, need a source that quantifies the finds.

Chelmno - total to be calculated, source;

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/holocau ... BjMkCRc_IU

[Stubble]

Is the 2 hectares by 7m at Treblinka II, in the room with us now?

Can you, point to it?

Can you, show it to me on a survey map, any survey map? On the CSC survey map?

[Nessie]

Is the 2 hectares by 7m at Treblinka II, in the room with us now?

Can you, point to it?

Can you, show it to me on a survey map, any survey map? On the CSC survey map?

It is the area around the main memorial, next to which the geophysical survey identified 6 grave pits.

[Callafangers]

It is the area around the main memorial, next to which the geophysical survey identified 6 grave pits.

Just so we're clear, Nessie, what machine was used to determine the amount or proportion of human corpse material (as compared to soil, etc.) within the 'geophysics' identified?

[Nessie]

It is the area around the main memorial, next to which the geophysical survey identified 6 grave pits.

Just so we're clear, Nessie, what machine was used to determine the amount or proportion of human corpse material (as compared to soil, etc.) within the 'geophysics' identified?

As you well know, or if you do not, you really should, the GPR and electrical resistance survey machines cannot determine what the disturbed material is. They can only identify where disturbed material is located.

Can you tell me what volumes of disturbed ground there are at the camps? You seem certain that the volumes are too low to contain the remains of hundreds of thousands of people, so what are those volumes?

[Callafangers]

As you well know, or if you do not, you really should, the GPR and electrical resistance survey machines cannot determine what the disturbed material is. They can only identify where disturbed material is located.

Thanks for clarifying - we now have it officially pinned-down that you have zero measurements of the actual contents of any of the 'disturbed' ground you are speaking of.

Basically, any way that the ground was dug up, exploded, invaded or disturbed in any way counts as corpse volume to you, full-stop.

According to you, we should fully disregard matters of Treblinka having been bombed during the war, heavily dug-up by treasure-hunters for decades post-war, or counting ground excavated in the 1940s as 'disturbed' in later excavations. All of the 'disturbed' soil -- 100% of it -- is chock-full of Jewish corpses.

Am I summarizing that correctly?

Perhaps "chock-full" is a bit too strong. After all, you said recently that you would estimate that 80% of the disturbance is actually Jewish corpses. But we now have confirmed you have zero evidentiary basis in your estimate of 80%, certainly nothing measurable...

Altogether, Nessie, I find your methodology to be quite strange. I hope you might break down further your estimate of 80%, so that the rest of us can follow-along.

We want to believe.

[Nessie]

As you well know, or if you do not, you really should, the GPR and electrical resistance survey machines cannot determine what the disturbed material is. They can only identify where disturbed material is located.

Thanks for clarifying - we now have it officially pinned-down that you have zero measurements of the actual contents of any of the 'disturbed' ground you are speaking of.

Basically, any way that the ground was dug up, exploded, invaded or disturbed in any way counts as corpse volume to you, full-stop.

According to you, we should fully disregard matters of Treblinka having been bombed during the war, heavily dug-up by treasure-hunters for decades post-war, or counting ground excavated in the 1940s as 'disturbed' in later excavations. All of the 'disturbed' soil -- 100% of it -- is chock-full of Jewish corpses.

Am I summarizing that correctly?

Perhaps "chock-full" is a bit too strong. After all, you said recently that you would estimate that 80% of the disturbance is actually Jewish corpses. But we now have confirmed you have zero evidentiary basis in your estimate of 80%, certainly nothing measurable...

Altogether, Nessie, I find your methodology to be quite strange. I hope you might break down further your estimate of 80%, so that the rest of us can follow-along.

We want to believe.

OK, so what is the volume of disturbed ground at each AR camp? You must know it, since you claim it is not enough for hundreds of thousands of corpses to have been buried.

[Keen]

It is the area around the main memorial, next to which the geophysical survey identified 6 grave pits.

Just so we're clear, Nessie, what machine was used to determine the amount or proportion of human corpse material (as compared to soil, etc.) within the 'geophysics' identified?

As you well know, or if you do not, you really should, the GPR and electrical resistance survey machines cannot determine what the disturbed material is. They can only identify where disturbed material is located.

Can you tell me what volumes of disturbed ground there are at the camps? You seem certain that the volumes are too low to contain the remains of hundreds of thousands of people, so what are those volumes?

Yitzhak Arad on page 380 of his book Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka. The Operation Reinhard Death Camps:

Scenes of this kind ["robery digging" at Treblinka II] also took place in the fields of Belzec and Sobibor. The search for treasures continued. The area was dug up again and again, and each section of the land was checked thoroughly by local people and people from afar who tried their luck. These acts ceased only when the Polish government decided to turn the camp areas into national memorial sites.

[Keen]

OK, so what is the volume of disturbed ground at each AR camp?

Yoram Haimi:

In the first area (Camp II), a number of refuse pits were discovered

Object 5681 served as a well

During the excavations we exposed... a latrine. In the southern part of the latrine we found... the septic

What is the volume of the refuse pits at that AR camps?

[Keen]

TII - 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, so 140,000m3, but that is just for the mass grave area of the camp and it is the total area that the mass graves are in. The actual volume of the mass graves, is less. The volume dose not count mass graves witnesses located in the Lazarette. Source;

"Witnesses located"?



Nessie,

A - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc. - were dug at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

Now let's watch Nessie run!