Does this Karl Schultze document prove some part of the Holocaust? (cremation at Auschwitz)

[Wetzelrad]

An individual on X suggested that documents attesting to mass deliveries of coke to Auschwitz had been destroyed by the Nazis. Think tens of thousands of tons of coke, delivered in secret. When I pointed out that this was not (to my knowledge) the argument that Holocaust historians use, he offered this text in response with no commentary:

This is literally from Karl Schultze, who designed the ovens, in 1943:

1. With continuous operation of our 3‑muffle ovens, using the stacking method we’ve developed (“Express work”), you can expect up to 1,440 corpses per oven in 24 hours.

2. Fuel consumption runs about 14 kg of coke‑equivalent per body, i.e. roughly 20 tons per day.

3. To maintain throughput, the ovens must never fully cool; ash removal should be done in 30‑minute intervals during ongoing operation.

4. We recommend holding a constant chamber temperature of 800–900 °C and automating the air supply to ensure optimal burn conditions.

5. For a full 24‑hour shift, 1½ hours of maintenance per day is sufficient, ideally in the early morning.

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Original German in case you wanted it:
1. Bei durchgehender Betriebnahme der 3‑kammrigen Öfen unter Anwendung des von uns entwickelten Stapelverfahrens („Express-Arbeit“) ist mit einer Leistung von bis zu 1 440 Leichen innerhalb von 24 Stunden je Ofen zu rechnen.

2. Der Brennstoffverbrauch liegt dabei bei ca. 14 kg koksäquivalent pro Leiche, was einem Gesamtbedarf von rund 20 t täglich entspricht. 3. Zur Gewährleistung dieser Leistung müssen die Öfen niemals ganz erkalten; die Entaschung ist während des laufenden Betriebes in Intervallen von 30 Minuten vorzusehen.
4. Wir empfehlen, die Öfen auf einer konstanten Brennkammer­temperatur von 800–900 °C zu halten und die Luftzufuhr automatisiert zu regeln, um optimale Ausbrandbedingungen zu sichern.

5. Bei vollen 24‑Stunden‑Schichten ist eine tägliche Wartung von 1 ½ Stunden ausreichend, vorzugsweise am frühen Morgen.

https://x.com/ppow84/status/1963664579969355953

This document is unfamiliar to me, and I can find no reference to it, nor has he responded to requests for a source. It contains several astonishing claims, one being the impossible and hypothetical 1,440 capacity number found in the "Bischoff Letter". (Bischoff Letter thread.) Another claim is that there was a "stacking method" called "Express-Arbeit" which improved cremation capacity.

Since X is not an effective format for debate, I brought it here. Perhaps the user in question will grace us with his presence and enlighten us on how this alleged document vindicates the Holocaust Narrative, or perhaps he can say what it has to do with the missing deliveries of coke to Auschwitz. Of course anyone else is welcome to jump in.

[Stubble]

That sounds like the Soviet interrogation one of the posters on this board spams. It may be clipped and misattributed.

Was Karl Schultze interrogated by the NKVD?

I checked the minutes of the interrogation, Karl Schultze never said this. It looks like a conglomeration of the Bischof letter and some other stuff for flavor.

A link to Holocaust Handbooks, Volume 52:Auschwitz Engineers in Moscow;

https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/aus ... in-moscow/

Upon rereading your post, that appears to be an AI hallucination (lie). Check points 4 and 5. Those are 'novel'.

[Wetzelrad]

Probably just a hallucination, then. It does read like an AI summary of what would be needed to shore up the claims of impossibly high cremation capacity. Thanks, and sorry for wasting your time.

And how telling is it that the Narrative Defenders behave in this manner? If they had any skepticism, any intellectual curiosity at all, they might start by reading the real primary source documents neutrally or by reading both sides of the debate. Instead it's straight to debunking, as if they are already assured of their position for some unstated reason. Then it's straight to AI, with a gullible acceptance of any imaginary source.

[Stubble]

Oh, no apologies necessary bud.

Think of it as sharpening steel. I likely won't forget this tidbit in the future. That neuron is welded now, so, thanks!

Also, yes, very telling indeed.

[curioussoul]

Right off the bat I suspected a fake AI summary of what a Topf engineer might have said, but I also thought it might have been from his SMERSH interrogation. I believe Schultze and Pruefer were confronted with the "Bischoff document" containing the 1,440 number, but the Soviet investigators never questioned them on the cremation rate based on this docment, so that particular number basically went without comment. And for the record, both Schultze and Pruefer famously contradicted the official Soviet line by claiming - independently - that the real cremation rate was 1 corpse per hour.

What's so funny about these anti-revisionists on X is that they never realize when they're contradicting their own narrative. Not only did he post a fake document, but this "document" mentioned a coke consumption of 14 kg per corpse, which, given our knowledge of coke deliveries to Auschwitz, debunks the entire extermination narrative.

[Callafangers]

I'd say it's worth screenshotting crap like this for future reference, something like a "Hall of Shame" to ridicule exterminationists on.

[Archie]

I don't recognize it. I too am getting flashbacks of ConfusedJew's fabrications. I will say though that if this is an AI hallucination, it is a really egregious one. I have seen the LLMs refer to sources that don't exist, but I don't think I've ever seen one fabricate a lengthy text along with a translation.

I've seen this "patrick p" clown before. He is a shameless propagandist. The post of his I remember is where he claimed that it wouldn't matter if the Hoess confession were a fraud.



Note how he rattles off his list of supposed evidence. No specifics, no sourcing. It's straight up gish gallop. He's hoping that the uninformed won't be able to check any of it and will just take his word for it.

correspondence between Topf & Sohne and Nazi officials, entries from Goebbels's diary, one-way train manifests, Einsatzgruppen reports, gas-chamber blueprints and crematoria work orders, supply invoices and intercepted communications, Allied intelligence documents, mass-grave excavations with forensic analysis, trial transcripts and postwar confessions, and thousands of eyewitness testimonies, all corroborated by photographs, film footage, and physical artifacts recovered from the camps.

Of course if you were to fact-check him on these "gas chamber blueprints" and "mass grave excavations" and so forth it will become immediately clear that this is 100% bluff. Again, he is banking on people not being familiar with any of this.

I just browsed his page and here's another revealing example of his tactics.


He talks about a document where Keitel and Hitler supposedly talked about how "500,000 Jews had been killed" in the Ukraine. And he includes some screenshots. Note the tactics here. He posts some screenshots of parts of a document. It's not a good scan. The text is not very clear and you have to zoom in to make it out. It's only in German. He provides no citation, no link, no translation. What a weasel!

If he had any sincere interest in discussing this document, he would give a proper citation and direct people where they could actually read it, ideally both the original and a translation. I don't necessarily expect people to have academic quality citations online, but in this case it is obvious that this guy is going out of his way to make it so people can't check what he's posting. He posts a deliberately inscrutable document, and then uses the lack of detailed response as an excuse to pretend like he scored a big own. I can't stand that smug style of posting, especially when paired with such dishonesty. Nor can I stand unearned victory laps.

Btw, the document in question is Nuremberg document PS-1384. This document is not in the IMT volumes. The Harvard Nuremberg site has a page for it, but it looks like they only have a few bits of it, and only in English translation.

https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/docum ... ?mode=text

[Page 12] He said: Here, I lose 500,000 Jews. I must take them away, because the Jews are the element of revolt. But in my area, actually, the Jews were the only tradesmen. Now they want to set up high schools and grammar schools, thereby building here, a national Ukrainian state, that should in the future, fight against Russia. I am not even in a position to have the worker, who must work here, have his boots repaired. I can't do that because the tradesmen are no longer here. The Jews are all gone. What is more important, that I train the Ukrainians how to mend boots, or that I send them high schools so that they can build up the Ukrainian state?

We would need to see the German here, but immediately we can tell patrick's paraphrase "500,000 Jews had been killed" is not correct. (He has made an aggressive inference that the Jews were killed, and he worded his paraphrase to force this interpretation). Moreover, the screenshot he posted doesn't even seem to contain the relevant sentence. Weasel!

[Nessie]

From the questioning of Karl Schultz in 1946;

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=61650

"Question: When did it become known to you that in the crematoria you had built together with Prüfer, and with the help of the ventilation installations for the gas chambers, innocent people were killed in the concentration camps?
Answer: That in the crematoria people were killed who had been interned in the concentration camps and murdered in the gas chambers I knew from the moment when I personally saw murdered people at Auschwitz concentration camp."

He is corroborated by documents from the camp's construction office, Topf & Sons and every single eyewitness who was inside a Krema.

[Keen]

From the questioning of Karl Schultz in 1946;

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=61650

"Question: When did it become known to you that in the crematoria you had built together with Prüfer, and with the help of the ventilation installations for the gas chambers, innocent people were killed in the concentration camps?
Answer: That in the crematoria people were killed who had been interned in the concentration camps and murdered in the gas chambers I knew from the moment when I personally saw murdered people at Auschwitz concentration camp."

He is corroborated by documents from the camp's construction office, Topf & Sons and every single eyewitness who was inside a Krema.

Why would the Germans need to build crematoria if all they had to do was dig ditches and toss the bodies in or just make the jews march into the flames?

Elie Weasle:

Not far from us, flames, huge flames, were rising from a ditch. Something was being burned there. A truck drew close and unloaded its hold: small children. Babies! Yes, I did see this, with my own eyes... children thrown into the flames... So that was where we were going. A little farther on, there was another, larger pit for adults... Never shall I forget the small faces of the children whose bodies I saw transformed into smoke under a silent sky.

So he saw "bodies [magically] transformed into smoke"?

Bones and teeth and all?

A person would have to be; 1) mentally ill, or 2) mentally retarded, or 3) both, to believe the most famous "holocaust eyewitness" ever.

So what are you Nessie, 1, 2 or 3?

[Wahrheitssucher]

Why would the Germans need to build crematoria if all they had to do was dig ditches and toss the bodies in or just make the jews march into the flames?

Elie Weasle:

Not far from us, flames, huge flames, were rising from a ditch. Something was being burned there. A truck drew close and unloaded its hold: small children. Babies! Yes, I did see this, with my own eyes... children thrown into the flames... So that was where we were going. A little farther on, there was another, larger pit for adults... Never shall I forget the small faces of the children whose bodies I saw transformed into smoke under a silent sky.

So he saw "bodies [magically] transformed into smoke"?

Bones and teeth and all?

A person would have to be; 1) mentally ill, or 2) mentally retarded, or 3) both, to believe the most famous "holocaust eyewitness" ever.

So what are you Nessie, 1, 2 or 3?

I genuinely think this question gets to the heart of the issue with this poster. That isn’t intended as abuse. I genuinely see no other alternative explanation.