Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas

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Rudolf Goldschmidt is important in the story of the Mogilev gassing footage, as it is claimed that he discovered the film reel in the apartment of Arthur Nebe, who supposedly filmed the gassing. Goldschmidt was living in Nebe's apartment in 1947, and subsequently turned the footage over to Stuart Schulberg, who included the gassing sequence in his 1948 film Nuremberg: Its Lesson for Today.

The gassing footage was not shown before 1948. The original (if this collated sequence of scenes isn't the original) is lost.

Most of the biographical material on Goldschmidt comes from the book Kultur auf Trümmern: Berliner Berichte der amerikanischen Information Control Section Juli-Dezember 1945 by Brewster Chamberlin, originally published in 1979. It is mostly a compilation of OMGUS and other reports on the film, theater, and music industries in Germany immediately after the war.

Goldschmidt was a representative of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer in Germany before 1933. It's also claimed he was a distant relative of the Goldschmidt-Rothschild family. A half-Jew, he went into hiding in Berlin during the war.

The American military government appointed him head of film distribution in July 1945.

In 1945, the Americans were negotiating with with Soviet film distributor Sojusintorgkino to bring English-language films to Soviet-controlled theaters. The Soviets also supplied films to be shown in the American sector. One report states Goldschmidt retained excellent relations with the British and Soviet film distribution representatives.

So it's more likely that the Soviets filmed the purported gassing scenes, handed the film reel to Goldschmidt, and in 1947 he handed it to Schulberg who put it into Nuremberg: Its Lesson for Today.

And the film is likely a staged re-imagining of Akimova Natalia Nikolaevna's testimony in "Trial in the case of atrocities committed by the German fascist invaders in the Belarusian SSR" (Судебный процесс по делу о злодеяниях, совершенных немецко-фашистскими захватчиками в Белорусской ССР (15-29 января 1946 года) [link].

Testimony of Natalia Nikolaevna Akimova here.
I went with Doctor Kitayevich to the bathhouse, near which trucks and cars were parked. A German, who called himself a chemist, was fiddling around near the cars. A hose went from the car to the bathhouse doors. Another pipe went from the bathhouse window to the generator of another car. The bathhouse was hermetically sealed, and there were several sick people in it.

Half an hour later, the Germans opened the bathhouse doors and began throwing corpses into the cars. The cars with corpses left the colony territory.
That's the detailed information on the gassing procedure, which doesn't exactly match the film. She testifies there were two gassings: 20 people gassed on September 17, 1941, then 180 more (200 total) on November 4.

Interestingly, she identifies herself as a doctor in the Minsk Psychiatric Hospital in Novinki, which is the WRONG LOCATION THAT I SPENT HALF A DAY TRACKING DOWN before Wetzelrad found the correct location of the film. So the film was shot at the wrong psychiatric hospital, or she testified she was at the wrong hospital.
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pilgrimofdark wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 11:10 pm The American military government appointed him head of film distribution in July 1945.
I'm confused. What are the odds that the Jewish guy assigned to do film distribution in concert with the PWD just happened to take up residence in the uncleaned apartment of an Einsatzgruppe commander who also, to the surprise of everyone, filmed his own euthanasia gassing experiment? Was any explanation given for why he was living there in particular?
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Wetzelrad wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 12:22 am
pilgrimofdark wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 11:10 pm The American military government appointed him head of film distribution in July 1945.
I'm confused. What are the odds that the Jewish guy assigned to do film distribution in concert with the PWD just happened to take up residence in the uncleaned apartment of an Einsatzgruppe commander who also, to the surprise of everyone, filmed his own euthanasia gassing experiment? Was any explanation given for why he was living there in particular?
No, the Chamberlin book only mentions some office locations in Berlin, nothing about Goldschmidt's personal address.

HC tracked down the apartment address with Goldschmidt living there as of 1950 (International Motion Picture Almanac, 1950).

Wonder how quickly he moved in, considering Nebe moved out after the 20 July 1944 plot when he went into hiding. Also wonder why no one thought to check the film reel Nebe left in his apartment when he was being tracked down by the Gestapo.
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Here's something else interesting from Chamberlin's book.

The PWD (Psychological Warfare Division)'s direct successor was the ICD (Information Control Division). The name officially changed on 12 May 1945. We usually say that Billy Wilder worked for the PWD, but in fact he may have been working for the ICD at the time that he produced the highly influential propaganda film Death Mills (see footnote on pp.80-81).

The chief of the ICD in Berlin was Lieutenant Colonel Frederick N Leonard (p.20) who approved Goldschmidt to run the Film Distribution Agency (p.70).

In simpler words, there was a direct connection between the people who made the propaganda and the guy who found the only supposed Nazi footage of a gassing.
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David Cole discusses the faked Mogilev Volkswagen gassing video in his book. I think he got the original video from the USHMM and was appalled about how crude it was.

The stark shadow on the wall of the guy wearing riding boots and jodhpuhrs was made with a klieg light as they call them in Hollywood. This isn't your typical clandestine newsreel photography.




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Scott wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 4:33 am David Cole discusses the faked Mogilev Volkswagen gassing video in his book. I think he got the original video from the USHMM and was appalled about how crude it was.
I don't think Cole saw anything other than the N:ILFT film. His story in the book is basically the same as in this article for Taki's Mag:
In 1996, Raye Farr (then-film archives director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum) wrote a letter to me in which she revealed that the “€Mogilev footage”€ (the supposed footage of the first Nazi gassing) was widely considered to be a Soviet fake. Ten years later, she was still gushing publicly about the footage being authentic.

"Justifying My Existence" by David Cole
https://archive.ph/N7q8L
He spoke with Farr by fax, and then he claims to have sold those faxes to random revisionists as proof of fakery. However, no one published those faxes or made reference to them, from what I can find.

The HC blog acknowledges but downplays Farr's and others' doubts about the footage's authenticity. That seems at odds with reality. If the USHMM was confident of its authenticity today they would not have removed the exhibit showcasing it. It would not be obscure, such that Metzner himself had to post it to Youtube.
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He might have also discussed it on his website or blog. But yeah, on balance Cole's Revisionism was pretty weak.

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Schulberg gives his own movie a glowing review:
In Stuttgart, the former Nazi labor-front leader ran a handkerchief over his forehead and said, "You won't believe it, but I was a convinced Nazi until I walked into that theater two hours ago."

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These statements, made to MG officials or German investigators, were prompted by an 80-minute documentary film entitled Nuremberg - Its Lesson for Today.

It was produced by the Documentary Film Unit of Motion Picture Branch, Information Services Division, OMGUS, a small organization based in a German film studio on the edge of Berlin's Tempelhof airfield.

Organized late in 1947, this Unit is charged with the job of flashing OMGUS reorientation and information policy onto the screens of US Zone and Berlin motion-pieture houses.

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All in all, however, Nuremberg's box office record managed to astound old-time German film distributers who, in concert with many MG experts, had predicted empty theaters for what they termed "an atrocity film."

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Even the skeptics and the would-be hecklers and the kids caught by the Nazi lure sobered swiftly as the film unwound. And even though a die-hard 20 percent later attacked the film, largely because of Soviet participation in the trial, there is little question that Nuremberg accomplished its reorientation mission.
"Strangely enough" ;)
The search for film was continued from Berlin although, strangely enough, only one strip suitable for inclusion - a 16-mm record of a mobile gas chamber - was uncovered here.
Schulberg, Stuart. (1949) 2002. "Nuremberg, Symbol of International Law against International Lawlessness." Filmblatt 7 (18): 7–11. Originally published as "Nürnberg, Symbol Des Völkerrechts Gegen Internationale Gesetzlosigkeit" (Information Bulletin (Berlin/West), Nr. 164, 28). http://dx.doi.org/10.25969/mediarep/2083.
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