Junk Folder for Derails

[Nazgul]

There are no forensic chemists participating in this debate. The result is amateurs scrabbling about, sharing their thoughts, and illogically arguing that because they cannot work out the forensic chemistry of the gas chambers, there were no gas chambers.

I am a trained explosives chemist, which even dear Fritz tried to argue with me. You know nothing of chemistry so resort to the old tired arguments of credibility for which a few months training is worthless. Your arguments in this thread on this vein are off topic so say naught. Friendly warning Flipper.

[Nessie]

This thread is the part of the forum, where debate is more open to challenge. I wish to challenge the debate itself. It is the logically flawed argument from incredulity. The claim is being made that because it cannot be worked out, to some people's satisfaction, why there is no sign of Prussian blue staining in Krema I and the tiny part of Krema II that can be accessed, and that testing has found a relatively low level of HCN traces, therefore no gas chambers.

There is another group of chemists, who have worked out, to their satisfaction, why there is no sign of Prussian blue and there is a low level of HCN. The ONLY way to reliably determine which side is correct, is to look for EVIDENCE of what happened.

The EVIDENCE is that the Kremas had gas chambers. So-called revisionists fall apart into disagreement, when they try to evidence what happened, because none of them have a convincingly EVIDENCED case. Logically, and evidentially, gas chambers existed.

Those so-called revisionists are so indebted to their logically flawed argument, that they keep on using it, no matter how many times the flaw is explained to them. You are all wrong and I think many of you have an understanding of the problem you have, which is why posts like this one are being censored.

[Nessie]

It is so-called revisionism, that is guilty of spreading lies and misinformation. Even some revisionists know that much of what is being spread online, are lies and misinformation. Examples of that are;

1 - the gas chambers all supposedly had leaky wooden doors, with many thinking a door in Krema I, was the door into the gas chambers, whereas it was a door into another room, that led to the gas chamber. Those people claim that wooden doors cannot be made gas tight, which anyone with any sense, knows is not true.

2 - the IRC camp death tolls, and the 271k dead. That list, is of only 13 camps, and no ghettos. Scale that up to all the camps and ghettos that existed, which the IRC never visited, and the death toll would be in the millions. The AR camps, Chelmno, Maly Trostenets and Semlin are not on the list. The Warsaw ghetto had a death toll of c80-90,000 residents, in the ghetto itself.

3 - the Auschwitz tattoos only go up to a certain number. Like the IRC death toll, this claim reveals how ignorant many so-called revisionists are. They do not know that only Auschwitz tattooed prisoners.

4 - Auschwitz was more like a holiday camp, with swimming pools and health care. A-B, was a complex of 40 camps, which variously had c8,000 German staff and many thousands of prisoners, such as British POWs, who had privileges. They got to use the facilities and health care, along with some trusted Jewish workers. They rest had no access.

So-called revisionists, acting as a group, with an agenda to spread hate against Jews, by alleging at least parts of, but often most of, the Holocaust is a lie, spread lies and misinformation.

[Nessie]

...The purpose of this thread is to discuss the chemistry, and to consider all the variables and arguments at play in explaining the absence of Prussian Blue.

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How do you that Prussian blue never started to form on the walls of Krema II, that cannot be accessed, or the walls of the demolished Kremas III to V and the two bunker farm house gas chambers?

Do you know how long it takes for the obvious staining to form?

You can see from the Majdanek gas chamber, that Prussian blue does not form uniformly, and parts of the wall show no staining.

You are assuming the absence of Prussian blue, because none is seen, now, on the walls of Krema I or the tiny part of Krema II that can be accessed. You are ignoring yet another flaw in your argument.

[borjastick]

A lightweight posted this earlier assuming we are all asleep and have been at this only since last saturday afternoon...

My answers are in italics.

1 - the gas chambers all supposedly had leaky wooden doors, with many thinking a door in Krema I, was the door into the gas chambers, whereas it was a door into another room, that led to the gas chamber. Those people claim that wooden doors cannot be made gas tight, which anyone with any sense, knows is not true. He said avoiding the windows in the claimed gas chambers in various camps and making loose claims about wooden doors being able to be made gas tight. This isn't the point. The point is they weren't gas tight and it doesn't matter about ifs, buts and maybes about what might be possible we are talking about what was ACTUALLY made and in place.

2 - the IRC camp death tolls, and the 271k dead. That list, is of only 13 camps, and no ghettos. Scale that up to all the camps and ghettos that existed, which the IRC never visited, and the death toll would be in the millions. The AR camps, Chelmno, Maly Trostenets and Semlin are not on the list. The Warsaw ghetto had a death toll of c80-90,000 residents, in the ghetto itself. Once again we see the Palestine land grabbers on a mission to increase the scope of the holocaust to meet the demand for dead jews. See what they are now doing? Ignoring the 80 year old official story because it has been shot down in flames to spread the love and the death toll far and wide even though it simply doesn't add up. Literally folks...

3 - the Auschwitz tattoos only go up to a certain number. Like the IRC death toll, this claim reveals how ignorant many so-called revisionists are. They do not know that only Auschwitz tattooed prisoners. Very few revisionist don't know that Auschwitz was the only camp using inmate tattoos which makes the numbers and tattoos all the more suspicious.

4 - Auschwitz was more like a holiday camp, with swimming pools and health care. A-B, was a complex of 40 camps, which variously had c8,000 German staff and many thousands of prisoners, such as British POWs, who had privileges. They got to use the facilities and health care, along with some trusted Jewish workers. They rest had no access. Complete bollocks as we know for a fact from jews in the camp they had access to hospital, dentist and oh yeah the 3000 babies born in the camp. Hilarious for a death camp but true.

[Nessie]

A lightweight posted this earlier assuming we are all asleep and have been at this only since last saturday afternoon...

My answers are in italics.

1 - the gas chambers all supposedly had leaky wooden doors, with many thinking a door in Krema I, was the door into the gas chambers, whereas it was a door into another room, that led to the gas chamber. Those people claim that wooden doors cannot be made gas tight, which anyone with any sense, knows is not true. He said avoiding the windows in the claimed gas chambers in various camps and making loose claims about wooden doors being able to be made gas tight. This isn't the point. The point is they weren't gas tight and it doesn't matter about ifs, buts and maybes about what might be possible we are talking about what was ACTUALLY made and in place.

Construction Office documents record the construction of gas tight doors and windows, for the Kremas.

"Order of 13 February 1943 on “12 gas tight doors approx. 30/40” for crematorium 4 and 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 444]"
"Order of 15 February 1943 on “210 anchors for gas tight doors” for crematorium 4 [Pressac, Technique, p. 448]"
"List of materials of 24 February 1943 on “12 gas tight doors approx. 30/40” for crematorium 4 and 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 444]"
"Delivery note of 24 February 1943 on “fittings of 12 gas tight doors” for crematorium 4 and 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 443]"
"Work time sheet of 28 February 1943 on “fit gas tight windows” in crematorium 4 [Pressac, Technique, p. 445]"
"Order from Karl Bischoff of 31 March 1943 on “3 gas tight doors” of crematorium 4 and 5 and “gas door 100/192 for corpse cellar 1…with double 8 mm glass and peephole” of crematorium 2 and 3 [Pressac, Technique, p. 436]"
"Transfer document of 31 March 1943 on “gas door” in crematorium 2 [Pressac, Technique, p. 437]"
"Order of 6 April 1943 on “24 anchor bolts for gas tight doors” for crematorium 4 and 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 454]"

Proof that the doors, described by Tauber as solid wood, metal reinforced, with peep holes and hermetic sealing, were gas tight.

2 - the IRC camp death tolls, and the 271k dead. That list, is of only 13 camps, and no ghettos. Scale that up to all the camps and ghettos that existed, which the IRC never visited, and the death toll would be in the millions. The AR camps, Chelmno, Maly Trostenets and Semlin are not on the list. The Warsaw ghetto had a death toll of c80-90,000 residents, in the ghetto itself. Once again we see the Palestine land grabbers on a mission to increase the scope of the holocaust to meet the demand for dead jews. See what they are now doing? Ignoring the 80 year old official story because it has been shot down in flames to spread the love and the death toll far and wide even though it simply doesn't add up. Literally folks...

You have no argument against my point.

3 - the Auschwitz tattoos only go up to a certain number. Like the IRC death toll, this claim reveals how ignorant many so-called revisionists are. They do not know that only Auschwitz tattooed prisoners. Very few revisionist don't know that Auschwitz was the only camp using inmate tattoos which makes the numbers and tattoos all the more suspicious.

Lots of deniers on X don't know. The highest tattoo number neme, appears as a claim, almost daily.

4 - Auschwitz was more like a holiday camp, with swimming pools and health care. A-B, was a complex of 40 camps, which variously had c8,000 German staff and many thousands of prisoners, such as British POWs, who had privileges. They got to use the facilities and health care, along with some trusted Jewish workers. They rest had no access. Complete bollocks as we know for a fact from jews in the camp they had access to hospital, dentist and oh yeah the 3000 babies born in the camp. Hilarious for a death camp but true.

Only certain Jews, Kapos, trusted workers and those who arrived when there were no gassings, had access and that access was limited, with camp staff getting priority. Around 700 children were born at the camp, a not unreasonable number considering hundreds of thousands of people were sent there. It was a complex of camps, that included political prisoners, forced labourers and others not immediately destined for the gas chambers. Only a small part of Birkenau functioned as a death camp, and that was only in 1943-4.

No gas tight doors, IRC death tolls, tattoos and camp facilities are Holocaust denier deceptions.

[Nessie]

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However, I am not sure whether the "Great Myth of the 20th Century" will collapse in this decade. The revisionists of the past hoped for this, but unfortunately, in the 1990s, the wave of political repression in Europe led to the preservation of the Lie.

The history of the Holocaust will not collapse, because it is evidenced to have happened, and so-called revisionists cannot evidence an alternative.

What you call preservation of the lie, was a push to gather evidence, in particular eyewitness testimony, as many were getting older and dying. The collapse of Communism also opened up eastern European archives. The evidenced gathered, further strengthens the Holocaust narrative. Nothing has been found to cause it to be revised.

Perhaps people are simply tired of being lied to. I heard about some disgusting plan for the final expulsion of the Palestinians and the complete colonization of this territory. It is being promoted by yet another Zionist organization. Why? Why would anyone do such a thing in our time?

It seems to me that we have all been lied to for decades. But we can't tolerate lies FOREVER? Sooner or later, people will say "enough".

Conspiracists support the Holocaust denial hoax, as they are attracted to conspiracies in general. They do not seem to tire of being lied to, by other conspiracists. Their lack of understanding of evidencing and logic, supported by self-confidence they are right and they have uncovered a hoax, is their undoing. I think that answer is schooling, and teaching kids logic, evidencing and how to spot a hoax.

[Nessie]

Forensic chemistry is a very technical subject and while I am able to learn quickly, especially with AI, it is not my area of expertise.

If you are out of your depth regarding this very technical subject, then why are you currently in “debate” mode regarding Holocaust-related forensic chemistry and not “study” mode? Why aren’t you researching what revisionists have discovered in this space before attempting AI-derived rebuttals?

So-called revisionists are often operating out of their depth. They just confidently think they have a grip on the subject. It is the same with their critiques of the archaeological and witness evidence. Their lack of any training or experience, is ignored, as they confidently assert they know better.

As for research, so-called revisionists cannot even mange basic historical evidence gathering, to determine what happened. When some try, they come up with competing theories, none find that convincing, hence they have not settled on one agreed revision, whereby they are happy it is compellingly evidenced.

CJ and I are more prepared to admit to a lack of knowledge, than any so-called revisionist. We are more honest about what we know.

[Nessie]

Until Candice Owen can evidence what happened, with contemporaneous evidence pertinent to the AR camps, Chelmno and A-B Kremas, and produce a revised chronology of events, she will only get traction with conspiracists.

Revisionism's role is really denial, since it falls flat on its face when it tries to revise. I hope all the conspiracist clap trap pollution social media, will gradually fall out of fashion, with a return to evidence gathering, to find out about Macron's wife, or what happened inside TII.

[Archie]

Nessie, if you want to participate on the forum, you need to make substantive replies related to the thread topics. Before you post, ask yourself whether your comment would be contributing important additional information and arguments to the topic or if it's just a lot of hot air.

Many of your posts are nothing more than generic insults against revisionists.

[Nessie]

...You won't read this, but i will leave this here for others:

https://holocausthandbooks.com/wp-conte ... aootgc.pdf

Holocaust handbooks are a great source of primary evidence. Rudolph put a lot of work into that book. It is remarkable, with all the access that he has to primary evidence, that he cannot evidence what the Kremas were used for 1943-4. That is what really convinced Pressac that gassings took place. It is the only evidenced usage of the buildings.

[Keen]

I gently recommend from the admins some kind of censure for this. Some kind of responsibility, some punishment, some recourse.

I respectfully disagree.

It's obvious that this is a Hasbara troll. It needs to be delt with just like its fellow Hasbara troll Nessie.

We all learn how to deal with this scum on threads like this. See it for what it is. Live and learn.

It wins when you play its game, you win when you don't.

Simply don't play its game.

When you realize what you are dealing with, redirect your energies by holding its feet to the fire and making it substantiate its retarded allegations like it made here:

Multiple archaeological studies using ground-penetrating radar, core sampling, and forensic documentation have confirmed thousands of kilograms of human remains, ash pits, mass graves, and cremation sites across all five camps.

In Belzec alone, 33 mass graves were documented with ash layers up to 5 meters thick. Bone fragments, teeth, fatty tissue residue. Remains estimated to represent hundreds of thousands of individuals. No attempt was made to fully exhume or count complete skeletons — that wasn’t the goal.

In Treblinka II, Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls found over a dozen grave shafts identified with GPR. Bone fragments, burned tissue, and human remains confirmed on-site. Some remains were directly exposed in core samples or accidental surface erosion.

There were mass graves confirmed in Sobibor. Thousands of human bone fragments, ash, and teeth recovered. One 2014 excavation found over 50kg of human bones in a single pit.

At some sites, archaeologists found a handful of intact or partially preserved skeletons in areas that had not yet been cremated.

Redirect it here:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=409

Stick to your guns and start having fun with it.

[Keen]

Confused jew reminds me of Billy Madison:

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... &FORM=VIRE

[Keen]

Now that I see the big picture I'm ready to zoom into the details.

Zoom in on this CJ:

https://postimg.cc/jWcVj9R0

[Keen]

There still might be mistakes but don't freak out about it, just point it out and I'll correct course.

You can start "correcting your course" here:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=409