A Proposal

[Stubble]

Can we all chip in to get 2 or 3 hundred pig carcasses to bury in a pit 50m×3m×20m, bury for a few months and set on fire to see if they burn for 2 days?

Blobel said he did this, and I personally have doubts.

We will also need 10 gallons of diesel.

[bombsaway]

Can we all chip in to get 2 or 3 hundred pig carcasses to bury in a pit 50m×3m×20m, bury for a few months and set on fire to see if they burn for 2 days?

Blobel said he did this, and I personally have doubts.

We will also need 10 gallons of diesel.

This will prove nothing. I suggest you instead pool money to send someone to Poland and hire a translator and go talk to Polish people in the area around Treblinka , Belzec, chelmno etc

You probably won't find anyone who remembers first hand what happened in 1942 but you will find their children. If extermination didn't happen you should be able to be able to gather a lot of corroborating evidence here, unless the eyewitnesses lied to their children

[HansHill]

Stubble: Proposes novel way to critically assess witness testimony
Bombsaway: "Just get more witness testimony"

They're not sending their best, are they?

[Stubble]

You could just say 'count me out' Bombsaway, geez.

[Callafangers]

Stubble: Proposes novel way to critically assess witness testimony
Bombsaway: "Just get more witness testimony"

They're not sending their best, are they?

bombsaway be like: "shut it down! "

Can't have actual experiments and forensic analysis... we wouldn't want any lil' doozy getting out.

[Stubble]

That reminds me (forensic analysis), anyone have any tree rings from the approximate area or tree samples?

You can tell a lot from tree rings. Precipitation rates by year, large fire events etc.

Be handy if someone has done the leg work already.

[bombsaway]

Well the issue is Blobel didn't provide detailed specifications that would allow you to replicate the experiment as it may have occurred, he may have misremembered etc

so this would just be a giant waste of money if your goal here is to disprove the Holocaust

whereas if you went to those towns in Poland and you found collected witness testimony from people who had recollections like, yeah when I asked my father about [what this town was famous for] he said he'd never seen anything like, in fact had seen Jews entering and leaving en masse. This would be much more effective use of money, imo.

Strange why a revisionist wouldn't do that. If I was a true believer like you guys are, I probably would have done something like this, definitely after the fall of the USSR in the 90s when most elderly people there would have been likely eyewitnesses to either mass murder or transit camp activities. Doh, you missed a huge opportunity there, but there's still time.

[Stubble]

You know who else might be exaggerating Bombsaway?

[HansHill]

Stubble: Proposes novel way to critically assess witness testimony
Bombsaway: "Just get more witness testimony"

They're not sending their best, are they?

bombsaway be like: "shut it down! "

Can't have actual experiments and forensic analysis... we wouldn't want any lil' doozy getting out.

Literal shut it down moment.

Also another $1 in the Bombsaway Is Not White Retirement Fund i mean Jar

[bombsaway]

I gave you guys a much better suggestion actually so if anything I am going against the interests of Jews ...

[Stubble]

Your idea is in no way going to assess the testimony in question.

At all.

How am I going to verify that you can burn 2 or 3 hundred bodies to ash in 2 days with 10 gallons of diesel doing as you suggest?

You are completely missing my point.

The holocaust happened as alleged, right? This is the foundation of aktion 1005. This was the first burning, I have doubts.

[bombsaway]

Your idea is in no way going to assess the testimony in question.

At all.

How am I going to verify that you can burn 2 or 3 hundred bodies to ash in 2 days with 10 gallons of diesel doing as you suggest?

You are completely missing my point.

The holocaust happened as alleged, right? This is the foundation of aktion 1005. This was the first burning, I have doubts.

I don't know, he said the pit was 2 meters deep as well? I would say that his specifications are unreliable, therefore you would be proving or disproving something fantastical.

Whereas for my suggestion about where revisionists should put their funds, you could be finding compelling evidence that these were transit camps, which in turn might lead to mounting pressure to do better archeological studies.

[Callafangers]

Hmm I'm just gonna throw this out there:

Cost-Effective Experimental Approach

Objective: Test key aspects of outdoor Holocaust corpse disposal methods (e.g., burial, decomposition, and mass grave burning) on a small scale, with results extrapolatable to larger scenarios through scientific analysis.

1. Scale and Materials:
- Carcasses: Use 5–10 pig carcasses as a proxy for human remains (cost: $375–$750 at ~$75 per carcass).
- Rationale: A small number still allows observation of decomposition and burning behavior, with data scalable via modeling.

2. Burial Simulation:
- Method: Simulate burial by storing carcasses in a controlled environment (e.g., sealed containers with soil or under anaerobic conditions) for 1–3 months, mimicking underground decomposition without large-scale excavation.
- Cost: $200–$500 for storage (e.g., renting storage or containers).
- Rationale: Avoids the need for large pits, reducing costs and permitting issues while addressing decomposition effects on burning.

3. Outdoor Mass Grave Burning Setup:
- Method: Conduct a controlled burn in an outdoor setting that simulates mass grave conditions (e.g., shallow pit with wood fuel) over 12–24 hours using minimal accelerants.
- Cost: $300–$1,500 for fuel and potential fire safety personnel fees.
- Rationale: Tests burning feasibility in an open setting similar to mass grave accounts, addressing concerns about outdoor disposal methods.

4. Analysis and Extrapolation:
- Focus: Measure key metrics like decomposition rate, burn temperature, duration to reduce remains, ash production, and fuel efficiency. Use detailed forensic analysis (e.g., soil composition changes, bone fragmentation).
- Support: Partner with fire scientists or forensic anthropologists to model how results scale to larger operations described in testimonies.
- Rationale: Ensures scientific validity and addresses objections about applicability by providing precise data for larger-scale extrapolation.

5. Collaboration:
- Approach: If possible, work with organizations such as a university, agricultural research center, or forestry service to use existing facilities and expertise, minimizing independent setup and permitting costs.
- Cost: $500–$2,000 in shared fees or contributions.
- Rationale: Leverages pre-permitted, controlled environments and adds credibility through institutional support.

6. Legal Considerations:
- Permits: Comply with state and local regulations for animal disposal and open burning (varies by state, estimated cost: $150–$1,000). Using a pre-permitted facility often reduces this burden.

7. Total Estimated Cost:
- Carcasses and transport: $375–$750
- Storage: $200–$500
- Outdoor burning setup: $300–$1,500
- Labor and cleanup: $100–$300
- Permits/fees: $150–$1,000
- Total: $1,225–$4,000

Key Benefits
- Feasibility: Achievable scale and use of controlled settings ease legal, safety, and logistical challenges across the USA.
- Meaningful Insights: Focus on detailed metrics and scientific modeling ensures relevance to outdoor Holocaust disposal methods (e.g., mass grave burning), countering applicability objections by testing specific mechanisms.

Next Steps
- Identify and contact local research facilities or agencies that manage outdoor controlled burn areas for collaboration opportunities.
- Consult state-specific agricultural, environmental, or forestry agencies for permitting requirements.

[Stubble]

He signed a paper to that effect, but, I think they transposed his testimony.

He said 50m×2.5 or 3m×20m. They wrote down 50m×3m×2.5m. Clear transposition.

If you read the testimony, he is quite clear.

Honestly, he signed the thing because he probably thought if he didn't he would eat a gun and they would say he was trying to escape or something. The guy was in a bit of a dire situation.

Had I been there, I think I could have gotten him to attest to personally sodomizing every body before they set them on fire.

[Stubble]

Hmm I'm just gonna throw this out there:

Cost-Effective Experimental Approach

Objective: Test key aspects of outdoor Holocaust corpse disposal methods (e.g., burial, decomposition, and mass grave burning) on a small scale, with results extrapolatable to larger scenarios through scientific analysis.

1. Scale and Materials:
- Carcasses: Use 5–10 pig carcasses as a proxy for human remains (cost: $375–$750 at ~$75 per carcass).
- Rationale: A small number still allows observation of decomposition and burning behavior, with data scalable via modeling.

2. Burial Simulation:
- Method: Simulate burial by storing carcasses in a controlled environment (e.g., sealed containers with soil or under anaerobic conditions) for 1–3 months, mimicking underground decomposition without large-scale excavation.
- Cost: $200–$500 for storage (e.g., renting storage or containers).
- Rationale: Avoids the need for large pits, reducing costs and permitting issues while addressing decomposition effects on burning.

3. Outdoor Mass Grave Burning Setup:
- Method: Conduct a controlled burn in an outdoor setting that simulates mass grave conditions (e.g., shallow pit with wood fuel) over 12–24 hours using minimal accelerants.
- Cost: $300–$1,500 for fuel and potential fire safety personnel fees.
- Rationale: Tests burning feasibility in an open setting similar to mass grave accounts, addressing concerns about outdoor disposal methods.

4. Analysis and Extrapolation:
- Focus: Measure key metrics like decomposition rate, burn temperature, duration to reduce remains, ash production, and fuel efficiency. Use detailed forensic analysis (e.g., soil composition changes, bone fragmentation).
- Support: Partner with fire scientists or forensic anthropologists to model how results scale to larger operations described in testimonies.
- Rationale: Ensures scientific validity and addresses objections about applicability by providing precise data for larger-scale extrapolation.

5. Collaboration:
- Approach: If possible, work with organizations such as a university, agricultural research center, or forestry service to use existing facilities and expertise, minimizing independent setup and permitting costs.
- Cost: $500–$2,000 in shared fees or contributions.
- Rationale: Leverages pre-permitted, controlled environments and adds credibility through institutional support.

6. Legal Considerations:
- Permits: Comply with state and local regulations for animal disposal and open burning (varies by state, estimated cost: $150–$1,000). Using a pre-permitted facility often reduces this burden.

7. Total Estimated Cost:
- Carcasses and transport: $375–$750
- Storage: $200–$500
- Outdoor burning setup: $300–$1,500
- Labor and cleanup: $100–$300
- Permits/fees: $150–$1,000
- Total: $1,225–$4,000

Key Benefits
- Feasibility: Achievable scale and use of controlled settings ease legal, safety, and logistical challenges across the USA.
- Meaningful Insights: Focus on detailed metrics and scientific modeling ensures relevance to outdoor Holocaust disposal methods (e.g., mass grave burning), countering applicability objections by testing specific mechanisms.

Next Steps
- Identify and contact local research facilities or agencies that manage outdoor controlled burn areas for collaboration opportunities.
- Consult state-specific agricultural, environmental, or forestry agencies for permitting requirements.

I'm in, where do I send my fiver?