The KEEN vs NESSIE debate

[Keen]

This debate centers around how many of the 100 fraudulently alleged / insinuated - mass graves / cremation pits - of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - that Nessie can conclusively prove have been scientifically proven to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of at least 21 people.

I say he can't prove even one.

Our answers to the following questions will set the initial foundation for the debate.

(Note: All questions are taken directly from the https://thisisaboutscience.com/ website.)

To simplify things, only a select few questions will be used to form said initial foundation.

Once the initial foundation is set, we will finish establishing the foundation by answering the questions in part 4 of THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX - Mass Graves / Buried Remains - Forensic Evaluation Form.

And then the actual debate will commence.

Here we go:

PART ONE:

*7 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; It was once seriously alleged that the so-called - “ASH MOUND” - “mass grave” at Sobibor was comprised of - “ASHES” OF JEWS - ??

Keen’s answer: True.
Nessie’s answer: ??

*8 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Sobibor's alleged - “ASH MOUND” - “burial site” has never been archeologically / forensically / scientifically proven to contain so-much-as 1 / 100 of 1 percent of - THIS DEATH TOLL - figure - ??

Keen’s answer: True.
Nessie’s answer: ??

*9 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Not one of the alleged - “HUGE MASS GRAVES” - of Treblinka II alleged by so-called “eyewitnesses” - has ever been proven to exist - ??

Keen’s answer: True.
Nessie’s answer: ??

*10 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits in question at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, is - THIS SOBIBOR GRAVE - ??

Keen’s answer: True.
Nessie’s answer: ??

PART TWO:

IV - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Covering millions upon millions of pounds of bones and teeth with “a thick layer of sand” makes them magically disappear - ??

Keen’s answer: False.
Nessie’s answer: ??

V - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; If 100 graves contained the bones and teeth of 2.1 million people - then each grave would contain, on average, the remains of 21,000 people - ??

Keen’s answer: True.
Nessie’s answer: ??

PART THREE:

A - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, etc. - were dug at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

Keen’s answer: True.
Nessie’s answer: ??

B - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; It has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that huge pits were dug and utilized as mass graves at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

Keen’s answer: True.
Nessie’s answer: ??

C - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that huge pits were dug and utilized as mass graves at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: Yes.
Nessie’s answer: ??

D - Can it be conclusively proven that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that huge pits were dug and utilized as mass graves at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: Yes.
Nessie’s answer: ??

E - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; It has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that mass graves have been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

Keen’s answer: True.
Nessie’s answer: ??

F - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that mass graves have been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: Yes.
Nessie’s answer: ??

G - Can it be conclusively proven that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that mass graves have been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: Yes.
Nessie’s answer: ??

H - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

Keen’s answer: False.
Nessie’s answer: ??

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: No.
Nessie’s answer: ??

J - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: No.
Nessie’s answer: ??

K - Is it a fact that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: No.
Nessie’s answer: ??

L - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: No.
Nessie’s answer: ??

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of at least one mass grave in at least one of the following camps: Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor or Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: Yes.
Nessie’s answer: ??

[Keen]

Note to Nessie: I am traveling and will have very limited access to computers for the rest of the summer, so it may take a while for me to respond to your posts. (That is if you don't chicken out and run away from actual debate - like you are so wont to do.)

[Stubble]

[Nessie]

So that everyone is clear, this is not happening. It would not be a debate. It would just be me answering more and more questions, without getting any answers to mine. A debate is where opposing arguments are put forward and discussed.

Keen is not convinced by any of the archaeological, forensic studies of the AR camps and Chelmno, that found evidence of large areas of disturbed ground, containing cremated human remains. He thinks that is proof that there are no such mass graves, but he is wrong about that. Proof of no mass graves, would be archaeological surveys, using various means, from excavations, boreholes and geophysics, that evidence the ground is undisturbed and contains no human remains. Obviously, Keen cannot provide any such evidence, so in that respect, any debate about mass graves ends there. When only one side can produce evidence, that side wins. Thus, mass graves are proven.

That is why Keen will not participate in an actual debate and instead, he wants to have a highly regulated, questionnaire, answered, with him having total control. He is a bully, who thinks he can abuse people and force them to comply, with his demands. That is not going to happen.

[Keen]

So that everyone is clear, this is not happening... mass graves are proven.

What a coward!!!

[borjastick]

This just proves why debates are a waste of time. They might be interesting to some and useful to the newbies but overall neither side will admit defeat, even on a small basis over a few points. You will never change Nessie's mind because he isn't programmed for logic and decency let alone acceptance that he might be wrong. He's one of them and so cannot possibly accept another viewpoint let alone that he's had a spanking. He's one of those who scream blue bloody murder about civilian injuries in Tel Aviv last week but think killing 20,000 women and children in Gaza is perfectly acceptable.

So what's the point of a debate?

As we have seen in just a couple of posts Nessie fell at the first fence, face planting himself into a pile of horseshit.

[Keen]

Keen is not convinced... He thinks that is proof that there are no such mass graves...

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of at least one mass grave in at least one of the following camps: Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor or Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: Yes.
Nessie’s answer: ??

[Stubble]

This just proves why debates are a waste of time. They might be interesting to some and useful to the newbies but overall neither side will admit defeat, even on a small basis over a few points. You will never change Nessie's mind because he isn't programmed for logic and decency let alone acceptance that he might be wrong. He's one of them and so cannot possibly accept another viewpoint let alone that he's had a spanking. He's one of those who scream blue bloody murder about civilian injuries in Tel Aviv last week but think killing 20,000 women and children in Gaza is perfectly acceptable.

So what's the point of a debate?

As we have seen in just a couple of posts Nessie fell at the first fence, face planting himself into a pile of horseshit.

Say what you like, but, I've still got my popcorn.

[Nessie]

This just proves why debates are a waste of time. They might be interesting to some and useful to the newbies but overall neither side will admit defeat, even on a small basis over a few points. You will never change Nessie's mind because he isn't programmed for logic and decency let alone acceptance that he might be wrong. He's one of them and so cannot possibly accept another viewpoint let alone that he's had a spanking. He's one of those who scream blue bloody murder about civilian injuries in Tel Aviv last week but think killing 20,000 women and children in Gaza is perfectly acceptable.

So what's the point of a debate?

As we have seen in just a couple of posts Nessie fell at the first fence, face planting himself into a pile of horseshit.

You can change my mind with evidence. If Keen debated me, producing eyewitnesses who worked inside the AR camps, who said no mass graves were ever dug, or a GPR survey of the alleged grave area, that shows undisturbed ground that has never been dug up, then I would accept he wins the debate, as he has evidence to prove his claims.

This where you lot, run into problems, and resort to childish abuse and try to argue there were no mass graves. You have no evidence.

[Stubble]

This just proves why debates are a waste of time. They might be interesting to some and useful to the newbies but overall neither side will admit defeat, even on a small basis over a few points. You will never change Nessie's mind because he isn't programmed for logic and decency let alone acceptance that he might be wrong. He's one of them and so cannot possibly accept another viewpoint let alone that he's had a spanking. He's one of those who scream blue bloody murder about civilian injuries in Tel Aviv last week but think killing 20,000 women and children in Gaza is perfectly acceptable.

So what's the point of a debate?

As we have seen in just a couple of posts Nessie fell at the first fence, face planting himself into a pile of horseshit.

You can change my mind with evidence. If Keen debated me, producing eyewitnesses who worked inside the AR camps, who said no mass graves were ever dug, or a GPR survey of the alleged grave area, that shows undisturbed ground that has never been dug up, then I would accept he wins the debate, as he has evidence to prove his claims.

This where you lot, run into problems, and resort to childish abuse and try to argue there were no mass graves. You have no evidence.

No we can't, first you dismiss any evidence, then you deflect by pointing at something else, then you deny the evidence exists...

Every, single, time.

I for one am happy to see you held to account.

Go ahead Nessie, tell him about the swimming pools...

[AreYouSirius]

So that everyone is clear, this is not happening. It would not be a debate.

bUt EvErYtHiNg Is ClEaRlY eViDeNcEd!!1!

[Nessie]

This just proves why debates are a waste of time. They might be interesting to some and useful to the newbies but overall neither side will admit defeat, even on a small basis over a few points. You will never change Nessie's mind because he isn't programmed for logic and decency let alone acceptance that he might be wrong. He's one of them and so cannot possibly accept another viewpoint let alone that he's had a spanking. He's one of those who scream blue bloody murder about civilian injuries in Tel Aviv last week but think killing 20,000 women and children in Gaza is perfectly acceptable.

So what's the point of a debate?

As we have seen in just a couple of posts Nessie fell at the first fence, face planting himself into a pile of horseshit.

You can change my mind with evidence. If Keen debated me, producing eyewitnesses who worked inside the AR camps, who said no mass graves were ever dug, or a GPR survey of the alleged grave area, that shows undisturbed ground that has never been dug up, then I would accept he wins the debate, as he has evidence to prove his claims.

This where you lot, run into problems, and resort to childish abuse and try to argue there were no mass graves. You have no evidence.

No we can't, first you dismiss any evidence, then you deflect by pointing at something else, then you deny the evidence exists...

What evidence? You produce no eyewitness who worked in the AR camps or Kremas. You produce no GPR to prove the grave areas are in fact undisturbed ground. You produce no documents recording mass transports of people back out of the AR camps. You pretend you have contemporaneous evidence, but you don't.

Every, single, time.

I for one am happy to see you held to account.

Go ahead Nessie, tell him about the swimming pools...

A-B had c8000 staff who lived on site, and thousands of prisoners, such as British POWs, who had access to recreational facilities.

[Stubble]

The Olympic swimming pools of treblinka that don't exist, but, could, if the entire space were a grave site, which it isn't, but, when pressed you say it is, and also not Nessie, those swimming pools...

[Keen]

If Keen debated me...

"If Keen debated me"!!!

How can Keen debate you when you cravenly refuse to debate?

Nessie:

This where you lot, run into problems... and try to argue there were no mass graves.

Look at poor Nessie pretending not to notice the obvious:

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of at least one mass grave in at least one of the following camps: Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor or Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Keen’s answer: Yes.
Nessie’s answer: ??

What a pathetic, lying, sniveling coward you are Nesssie.

[Keen]

That would be Nessie lying helpless on the canvas.