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TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:56 pm When they mention human remains, they are logically talking about ashes, there were also remains of charred or slightly charred human bodies and they mention this purely to determine that 75 cm was the layer of corpses.
No, you've misunderstood the report. Crematory contents were reported in every grave except for 1, 3 , 25, 28. In 1 and 3 this arguable because Kola mentions burnt bones. See for yourself (search for crematory).
Mass Graves Numbered 1-33 Are listed in the Order of Discovery

Grave Pit No. 1

The grave pit No. 1 was situated in the north-western part of the camp. It was in the shape of an irregular rectangle with the size of 40 meters by 12 meters and with a depth of 4.80 meters. The pit was filled with bodies in wax-fat, transformation; from the depth of about 2 meters burnt human bones and charcoal were mixed together. Such contents were already found at the depth of about 20-30 cm's from the surface. Burnt human bones and charcoal were also found samples drilled out in the area around the pit. Underground waters appeared at the depth of 4.10 meters. The estimated volume of the pit was about 1,500 meters.

Grave Pit No. 2

Located in the north-eastern part of the camp. Dimensions of the grave were determined as 14 meters by 6 meters, with the depth of 2 meters. Crematory grave with the volume of about 170 meters.

Grave Pit No. 3

Located in the southern part of the camp. This was the first mass grave, the location of which was positively identified from a Luftwaffe aerial photograph taken in 1944. It appears as a T-shaped white patch and has the appearance of being the biggest grave in the camp. Dimensions of the grave were determined as 16 meters by 15 meters and a depth of over 5 meters. The grave contained a mixture of carbonised wood, fragments of burnt human bones, pieces of skulls with skin and tufts of hair still attached, lumps of greyish human fat, and fragments of unburned human bones. The bottom layer consisted of putrid wax-fat transformation. The volume of the pit was about 960 meters.

Grave Pit No.4

The pit was registered at the borderline in the southern part. The grave was in the shape of a rectangle and dimensions were determined as 16 meters by 6 meters. The drilling was suspended at the depth of 2.30 meters because of a layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation. The volume of crematory part is about 250 meters.

Grave Pit No.5

Located in the south-western part of the camp. The grave had the shape of an irregular lengthened rectangle with the dimensions of 32 meters by 10 meters, reaching a depth of over 4.5 meters. It was of a homogenous content. Studies of its crematory layers structure suggested multiple filling of the grave with burnt relics. The layer with the biggest thickness and intensity of crematory contents appeared in the lowest part of the pit and was about 1 meter thick; above 50 cm thick layer of soil, 4 following layers of crematory remains appeared, separated from each other with 20-30 cm layers of sand. The volume of the pit was about 1350 meters.

Grave Pit No. 6

This grave was located in the south-central part of the camp. It had the shape of a lengthened rectangle, with the dimensions of 30 meters by 10 meters with a depth of 4 meters. The ashes were scattered around the grave, reaching the depth of 1 meter. The grave contained homogenous crematory contents. The volume of the pit was about 1200 meters.

Grave Pit No. 7

This grave was located in the north-central part of the camp, where one of the concrete pylons, commemorating the camps victims was erected during the 1960's was situated. The shape of the pit similar to a high trapezoid, with dimensions of 13 meters by 14 meters, and a height of about 27 meters, and the depth of 4.5 meters. The grave was homogenous with crematory ashes and sand. The lowest layer with the thickness of over 1.5 meters contained the most intensive traces of body ashes. The upper layer contained brick rubble and stones at the depth of 0.8 meters. The volume of the grave was about 1600 meters.

Grave Pit No. 8

This grave was located in the south-western part of the camp. The second pylon from the 1960's was erected over it. The general shape of the grave was in the shape of a lengthened rectangle, with the dimensions of 28 meters by 10 meters. Additional drilling revealed that 2 neighbouring graves existed, joined together as one, at a later date. The depth of the original grave was about 4 meters, and the bottom layer consisted of dense crematory remains. The fillings were covered with 20 -30 cm of sand, coming probably from the soil separating the graves. The ditch created that way, with the depth of 2 meters was filled with body ashes, charcoal and brick rubble. The volume of the pit amounted to about 850 meters.

Grave Pit No. 9

A relatively small grave with an irregular shape was located in the eastern part of the camp, between the pylon, and the present line of the camp enclosure. The pit was an irregular shape with the dimensions of 8 meters by 10 meters. The depth exceeded 3.80 meters. The contents of the pit were crematory remains and charcoal. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 280 meters.

Grave Pit No. 10

One of the biggest graves located in the north-central part of the camp. It was rectangular in shape, with dimensions of 24 meters by 18 meters. The grave was very deep, over 5.20 meters, and the drills were stopped because of bodies in wax-fat transformation and underground waters. One drill at the depth of 4.40 meters revealed the appearance of several centimetres layer of white sand mixed with rich lime. Over body layers there were some levels of crematory remains, mixed with charcoal in turn with layers of sandy soil. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 2100 meters.

Grave Pit No.11

This grave of relatively small volume was located in the north-eastern corner of the camp. The dimensions of the grave was 9 meters by 5 meters with a depth of 1.90 meters. A small layer of crematory remains was found. At the depth of about 50 cm remains of musty wood was located. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 80 meters.

Grave Pit No.12

Located immediately to the north of grave pit 10, an L-shaped grave with the foot measuring 20 meters, with a depth that reached below 4 meters. The grave contained crematory in layers. In the separating layers charcoal and brick rubble was found. The volume of the grave amounted to about 400 meters.

Grave Pit No. 13

Located towards the west of grave No. 12. One of the concrete ever-burning fires from the 1960's was placed over it. Dimensions of the grave which was trapezoid in shape, was determined as 12.50 meters by 11 meters and a height of 17 meters, with a depth reaching up to 4.80 meters. The grave contained body remains of mixed character. There was a layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation with a thickness of about 1 meter in the bottom part; directly over it there was a layer of sand and lime. Above there were layers of crematory remains and charcoal. The volume of the grave was estimated at 920 meters.

Grave Pit No. 14

The vast grave basin of an irregular shape was located in the western part of the fenced camp area. The grave's dimensions were 37 meters by 10 meters. The average depth of the grave was about 5 meters. The grave contained crematory remains, and the drills revealed pieces of glass and plastic. The graves volume was over 1850 meters.

Grave Pit No. 15

Located in the north-western part of the camp. This grave on its surface had the second concrete ever-burning fire from the 1960's. The grave was in the shape of a rectangle, and the dimensions were about 13.50 meters by 6.50 meters and reached the depth of about 4.50 meters. The grave contained crematory remains. The estimated volume was about 400 meters.

Grave Pit No.16

Located in the north-western part of the camp, under the third existing concrete ever-burning fire. The grave was in the shape of a rectangle with the dimensions of 18.50 meters by 9.50 meters, with the depth of about 4 meters. In the bottom layers lime presence was found. The grave contained crematory ashes in layers with sand. The shallow drilling close to the grave confirmed the presence of burnt bones. The volume of the grave amounted to about 700 meters.

Grave Pit No. 17

Located east of grave No.16. The grave had the shape of a rectangle with the dimensions of 17 meters by 7.50 meters with a depth up to 4 meters. The grave contained crematory ashes. Burnt bones were also placed in layers with sand. A layer of rich lime was found in three drills at the depth of about 3 meters. The volume of the grave amounted to about 500 meters.

Grave Pit No.18

Located in the eastern part of the camp, to the east of the grave pit No. 15. The grave was in the shape of a rectangle with the dimensions of 16 meters by 9 meters with a depth of about 4 meters. The grave contained crematory ashes and charcoal. In the bottom part traces of lime were found. The volume of the grave amounted to about 570 meters.

Grave Pit No. 19

Located in the eastern part of the camp, directly under the first concrete fire. The ditch had the shape of a square with sides of about 12 meters. The depth of the grave was not more than 4 meters. The grave contained crematory ashes with a high density of human bones and charcoal. The volume of the grave amounted to about 500 meters.

Grave Pit No. 20

This grave was situated directly to the south of Grave Pit No.12 and its western part exceeded slightly the present enclosure of the camp. The grave had the shape of a rectangle with the dimensions of 26 meters by 11 meters, with a depth of 5 meters. The grave contained layers of crematory remains and charcoal. The farthest western drill contained not only body ashes, but pieces of musty paper and wood, a piece of a nail and brick rubble. The volume of the grave amounted to about 1150 meters.

Grave Pit No. 21

Located centrally in the camp. This was a relatively small grave 5 meters by 5 meters, with a depth of 1.70 meters. The grave contained crematory ashes which were reported at a depth of 70 cm. The volume of the grave amounted to about 35 meters.

Grave Pit No. 22

Located in the eastern part of the camp, under the eastern end of the alley, running in front of the concrete pylons symbolising the graves, erected during the 1960's. The grave had a shape close to a flattened triangle with the base of about 9 meters and the height of 15 meters. The grave contained crematory ashes and sand. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 200 meters.

Grave Pit No. 23

Located in the central part of the camp. The grave was in the shape of a rectangle with the dimensions of 16 meters by 8.50 meters, with a depth exceeding 4 meters. The grave contained crematory ashes. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 550 meters.

Grave Pit No.24

Located in the southern part of the camp, just to the south of the fifth concrete ever-burning fire. The grave had the shape of a lengthened rectangle with the dimensions of 20 meters by 5.50 meters with the depth of about 5 meters. The grave contained irregular layers of crematory ashes and lime. The lowest layer of ashes with the thickness circa 60 cm was covered with about 40 cm thick layer of sand. Above that regular surface of body ashes and sand were reported. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to 520 meters.

Grave Pit No.25

Located in the southern part of the camp under the alley, between the fifth and the sixth ever-burning fire. The dimensions of the grave was about 12 meters by 5 meters, with a depth of about 4 meters. The bottom of the grave contained 40 -50 cm layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation covered with a layer of lime. Above that there was a layer with the thickness of about 60 -80 cm, covered with an 80 cm layer of sand. Over it was another intensive layer of burnt wood with a thickness of 80-100 cm covered with a surface bed of humus-like sand. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to 250 meters.

Grave Pit No.26

Located in the south central part of the camp, under the alley close to the sixth ever-burning fire. The grave had the shape of a rectangle with the dimensions of 13 meters by 7 meters with a depth of over 4 meters. The grave contained crematory ashes, with clear layers of ashes, charcoal and sand. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to 320 meters.

Grave Pit No. 27

Located in the central part of the camp, towards the west of grave pit No. 25. It was the shape of a lengthened rectangle with the dimensions of 18.50 meters by 6 meters with a depth of about 5 meters. The bottom part of the grave consisted of nearly 1 meter thick layer of bodies in wax-fat transformation, above it there was a 20-25 cm thick layer of lime - over 2 meter thick intensive layer of charcoal with small amounts of crematory ashes. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to 450 meters.

Grave Pit No.28

Located in the central part of the camp, towards the west of grave pit No. 27. Two clear layers of bodies in wax-fat transformation covered with lime were reported. Above them was found intensive structures of charcoal without body ashes. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to 70 meters.

Grave Pit No. 29

Located in the central part of the camp. It was the shape of an irregular rectangle with the dimensions of about 25 meters by 9 meters with a depth of about 4.50 meters. The grave contained crematory ashes. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 900 meters.

Grave Pit No.30

Located in the central part of the camp. The dimensions of the grave was 5 meters by 6 meters. The crematory remains were noted only from the depth of 2.70 meters. Above that a high density of charcoal was found. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 75 meters.

Grave Pit No. 31

A relatively small grave located to the north from grave pit No. 30. The grave was probably in the shape of a rectangle with the dimensions of 9 meters by 4 meters, with a depth of 2.60 meters. The grave contained crematory ashes, mixed with sandy soil. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 90 meters

Grave Pit No.32

Located in the north western corner of the presently enclosed area of the camp. The grave was the shape of a lengthened rectangle with the dimensions of 15 meters by 5 meters, with the depth of over 4 meters. The grave contained bodies in wax-fat transformation, covered with lime at the depth of about 3.60 meters. Above that there was a mixed structure of crematory ashes with charcoal. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 400 meters.

Grave Pit No. 33

A relatively small grave located in the north-western corner of the presently existing borderline of the camp, which went beyond the fence. The grave had dimensions of 9 meters by 5 meters, with a depth of about 3 meters. The grave contained the remains of crematory ashes and charcoal. The estimated volume of the grave amounted to about 120 meters.
TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:56 pmSince the samples had relatively more soil than mixed ashes, the supported number of bodies in these 21,000 m3 would be lower than the 126,000 bodies proposed by Pressac. To support the 126,000 bodies, the samples would have to be full of ashes and little soil to have this result.
Wrong.

The average amount of ash left over after the cremation of an adult is about 3 to 3.5 liters or 183 to 213 cubic inches. For a child this will be 0.8 to 2 liters
https://www.legendurn.com/how-much-ash- ... t%20volume.

Given the smaller stature of Polish Jews and the high preponderance of children, 2.5 liters of ash per person is a fair estimate.

For ashes of 430k people this comes out to 1075 cubic meters, the total described grave space is 21000 cubic meters.
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I don't know what what I said has to do with your refutation of these graves.

It doesn't matter how much ash a cremated body forms, what is decisive is the amount of ash actually found in these graves. How much total ash in relation to the soil is there in this space?

Are you simply measuring the size of the fallen soil to determine this number of deaths, assuming that of the 21,000 m3, 1,075 m3 are ashes? Where in the work does it mention this?

And you are ignoring what happened in the decades after the war when local residents turned over this land in search of jewelry.
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TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:25 pm I don't know what what I said has to do with your refutation of these graves.
Crematory contents were found in almost every grave. The revisionists conflate bodies (which are more rarely found) with ashes to make it seem like most graves don't contain ash. When Kola describes crematory layers that also means that the ash layers are spread across individual graves, and drills are hitting and identifying the ash layers consistently across specific graves.
TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:25 pm Are you simply measuring the size of the fallen soil to determine this number of deaths, assuming that of the 21,000 m3, 1,075 m3 are ashes? Where in the work does it mention this?
I'm refuting your claim that "To support the 126,000 bodies, the samples would have to be full of ashes and little soil to have this result."

If only 1000 cubic meters of ashes are necessary for 430,000 bodies, then the graves could be 95% non-ash, 5% ash.
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bombsaway wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:52 pm
TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:25 pm I don't know what what I said has to do with your refutation of these graves.
Crematory contents were found in almost every grave. The revisionists conflate bodies (which are more rarely found) with ashes to make it seem like most graves don't contain ash. When Kola describes crematory layers that also means that the ash layers are spread across individual graves, and drills are hitting and identifying the ash layers consistently across specific graves.
TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:25 pm Are you simply measuring the size of the fallen soil to determine this number of deaths, assuming that of the 21,000 m3, 1,075 m3 are ashes? Where in the work does it mention this?
I'm refuting your claim that "To support the 126,000 bodies, the samples would have to be full of ashes and little soil to have this result."

If only 1000 cubic meters of ashes are necessary for 430,000 bodies, then the graves could be 95% non-ash, 5% ash.
But were 1000 m3 of ash determined?
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TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:05 pm
But were 1000 m3 of ash determined?
No, that would require them digging up tens of thousands of cubic meters of grave contents

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(about 600 of these)

separating out all the ash, and then measuring it

You can take it as some kind of victory that they haven't done this I guess.
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bombsaway wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:18 pm
TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:05 pm
But were 1000 m3 of ash determined?
No, that would require them digging up tens of thousands of cubic meters of grave contents

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(about 600 of these)

separating out all the ash, and then measuring it

You can take it as some kind of victory that they haven't done this I guess.
But is that what a reasonable person would demand if accused of a brutal crime and not simply, “Oh, we found 21,000 m3 of disturbed earth, ok, when was that? “Almost half a century later”, that is, no one has touched that earth in all that time?
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TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:38 pm
But is that what a reasonable person would demand if accused of a brutal crime and not simply, “Oh, we found 21,000 m3 of disturbed earth, ok, when was that? “Almost half a century later”, that is, no one has touched that earth in all that time?
Investigators conducted a dig shortly after the war, 1945

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ml#_Belzec
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bombsaway wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:58 pm
TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:38 pm
But is that what a reasonable person would demand if accused of a brutal crime and not simply, “Oh, we found 21,000 m3 of disturbed earth, ok, when was that? “Almost half a century later”, that is, no one has touched that earth in all that time?
Investigators conducted a dig shortly after the war, 1945

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ml#_Belzec
Sorry, but this excavation doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what they did for years afterwards. The mess they made certainly distorted later research. That's what happens when you don't take good care of a crime scene.

What's crucial is that if it had been any other group, all the soil from these fields would have been exhumed and the ash from the soil would have been filtered and how many bodies could have been cremated would have been determined, including filtering out the wood ash that was certainly mixed in when the ashes fell below these train tracks. But since they are sensitive even to ash, which is a curse for them, this is not possible.
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TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:25 pm What's crucial is that if it had been any other group, all the soil from these fields would have been exhumed and the ash from the soil would have been filtered and how many bodies could have been cremated would have been determined
What makes you so sure about this? I haven't seen a single example of this being done, have you?
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Do you think it is impossible to filter ashes from the earth? There are numerous tools for this, although it is a complicated and expensive process, given the magnitude that the Holocaust advocates.

It is complicated, almost Herculean, but not impossible. If they had done this in those years, everyone would have already decided, but the Jewish power of respect for ashes spoke louder.

How many massacres did the perpetrator cremate his victims and mix them with sand? You won't find that many, if you do. Even the Japanese in the Nanjing massacre simply buried them and didn't even bother to hide them when they saw the tide of the war turning. Most historical massacres happen in periods of peace and in authoritarian regimes where the concern of being judged is minimal. So not seeing cases is understandable, after all, the Holocaust is unique, they say.
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TlsMS93 wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 12:18 am Do you think it is impossible to filter ashes from the earth? There are numerous tools for this, although it is a complicated and expensive process, given the magnitude that the Holocaust advocates.
Yeah it would cost many millions of dollars likely. Who should pay for it and why?
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TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:38 pm
bombsaway wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:18 pm
TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:05 pm
But were 1000 m3 of ash determined?
No, that would require them digging up tens of thousands of cubic meters of grave contents

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(about 600 of these)

separating out all the ash, and then measuring it

You can take it as some kind of victory that they haven't done this I guess.
But is that what a reasonable person would demand if accused of a brutal crime and not simply, “Oh, we found 21,000 m3 of disturbed earth, ok, when was that? “Almost half a century later”, that is, no one has touched that earth in all that time?
The people accused of mass murder at Belzec admitted to the crime. Most of them were acquitted at their trial after their defence of coercion worked. The coercion was not that they were forced to confess, the coercion was that they were forced to work at the camp under duress.

If the evidence was as poor as revisionists suggest, why did they all accept the mass murders took place?
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Nessie wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:22 am
TlsMS93 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:38 pm
bombsaway wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:18 pm

No, that would require them digging up tens of thousands of cubic meters of grave contents

Image

(about 600 of these)

separating out all the ash, and then measuring it

You can take it as some kind of victory that they haven't done this I guess.
But is that what a reasonable person would demand if accused of a brutal crime and not simply, “Oh, we found 21,000 m3 of disturbed earth, ok, when was that? “Almost half a century later”, that is, no one has touched that earth in all that time?
The people accused of mass murder at Belzec admitted to the crime. Most of them were acquitted at their trial after their defence of coercion worked. The coercion was not that they were forced to confess, the coercion was that they were forced to work at the camp under duress.

If the evidence was as poor as revisionists suggest, why did they all accept the mass murders took place?
The story begins strangely, letting those who worked live to tell the tale.

These were “common knowledge crimes,” so why would they deny it? On the contrary, admitting it would serve to condemn others, especially high-ranking officials and those who always saw them as envious of their position.

Do you really think these trials were to determine what happened or not? Based on who’s complaint? A government’s? :)
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