The CODOH Revisionist Forum

So last night I was watching Felton’s video about some of Hitlers ashes that might still remain in Germany. Mark was explaining how Hitler and Eva’s bodies were burned according to the record, at the time stamp 9:15 he says “The staff faced two major problems in attempting to destroy Hitler and Eva’s remains completely, an open air cremation is very inefficient and heat varies due to the influence of wind and the shape of the cremation area.”

He also mentions how the cremation lasted 2 and a half hours and SS men were occasionally going to add fuel once the soviet shelling had stopped.
Now, I do wonder if Felton would apply this same logic if somebody asked him about open air cremations at AR camps?

There are of course all the theories that Hitler survived and escaped. I don't buy any of those. I am convinced that Hitler committed suicide at the end of the war. But there is some question about the body. The Nazis didn't want the Allies to mutilate his corpse etc and the Allies didn't want Hitler's remains to become an object of worship for Nazis. So it was inevitable that Hitler's remains were going to be erased one way or another. The Russians released an autopsy very late, in 1968, and that is one of the sources for the whole "Hitler only had one ball" thing. There has been disagreement over whether they correctly identified Hitler's body.

There was a similar thing with the Romanov family. I think in the 90s, they went back and found the remains many years after the fact. The bodies were first buried in a mineshaft but were removed, (partially?) burned, and reburied elsewhere. Reportedly they confirmed the ID with DNA.

But yes open air cremations are often very inefficient, especially if the people doing it aren't very experienced with it. Any real world data will generally undermine the Holocaust.

Archie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:22 pm Any real world data will generally undermine the Holocaust.

In this case it might undermine the credibility of the out side burning claims. This was all invented by Scharführer Herbert Floß, a genius so great that no one outside the AR camps can recreate it.

Of course the resident RODOH troll will sanctify the veracity of the claim due to eye witness reports and then say, if it happened it is true. The science behind the cremations known by all farmers and Indians has no relevance. At one time in the last incarnation of RODOH, the poster postulated that spontaneious human combustion assisted the process.

What about local Poles reporting having to scrape the windows of their homes of ash?

It doesn't matter how technically such a genocide happened. It was technically possible because it happened.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:17 am What about local Poles reporting having to scrape the windows of their homes of ash?

It doesn't matter how technically such a genocide happened. It was technically possible because it happened.

Lieutenant Franciszek Ząbecki was a station master at the village of Treblinka(1942–1944). He was a spy. Despite all the alleged cremation with plumes of smoke, he only takes a single photo, not of cremations but the burning of buildings at the uprising when the place was crawling with security. It begs the question, why a man with so much knowledge and a camera to record these events, did not take photos of the alleged crime. I am sure he had many hours alone in that lonely station to gather hard evidence. Why did the spook not take pics of the cremation smoke. As Marian Olszuk saw nothing around the current TII, neither did Zabecki.

Treblinka Uprising and burning building.

The same can be said of the spy at Birkenau photographing cremations outside the Krema V but not taking one inside it.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:17 pm The same can be said of the spy at Birkenau photographing cremations outside the Krema V but not taking one inside it.

Indeed this was discussed at length on the last incarnation of RODOH. Sadly a few computers later that information is gone. The topic was on the spaghetti woman in the pile, which appeared to be badly photoshopped of the era it was in.

Nazgul wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:31 pm

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:17 pm The same can be said of the spy at Birkenau photographing cremations outside the Krema V but not taking one inside it.

Indeed this was discussed at length on the last incarnation of RODOH. Sadly a few computers later that information is gone. The topic was on the spaghetti woman in the pile, which appeared to be badly photoshopped of the era it was in.

Yes, there were several fishy aspects of the 'photos' in this regard.


Now I wonder. Is Mark Felton a closet Holocaust Denier.

Hektor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:28 pm

Nazgul wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:31 pm

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:17 pm The same can be said of the spy at Birkenau photographing cremations outside the Krema V but not taking one inside it.

Indeed this was discussed at length on the last incarnation of RODOH. Sadly a few computers later that information is gone. The topic was on the spaghetti woman in the pile, which appeared to be badly photoshopped of the era it was in.

Yes, there were several fishy aspects of the 'photos' in this regard.


Now I wonder. Is Mark Felton a closet Holocaust Denier.

It's great to have you here again Hektor, welcome.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:12 pm ....

It's great to have you here again Hektor, welcome.

Thanks....

More people noticing that the narrative isn't adding up as they may have thought in the past.

It's great to have you here again Hektor, welcome.

TisMS93

I commend that statement to the house.

erichunt420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:08 am ....
This is straw man stuff. Someone did a study on this photograph. Had much higher resolution original OG of the photo. I was trained in a traditional photo development and photomaking dark room with the red light and everything. You? What do you know about photoshop now or OG photoshop dodging and burning a print? More than me? Or you just want to believe whatever you want ?

That's an appeal to one's own credentials, which isn't a valid argument. I recall there were problems with those photos. But then even if they were real, they don't prove what they would have to prove. That there were cremations (attempts?) in Auschwitz isn't really in dispute.

So what would a photo from this prove? It would be still perfectly in line with the Revisionist thesis, but not really help the Exterminationist thesis. Just that it wouldn't contradict this neither.

Hektor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:11 am

erichunt420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:08 am ....
This is straw man stuff. Someone did a study on this photograph. Had much higher resolution original OG of the photo. I was trained in a traditional photo development and photomaking dark room with the red light and everything. You? What do you know about photoshop now or OG photoshop dodging and burning a print? More than me? Or you just want to believe whatever you want ?

That's an appeal to one's own credentials, which isn't a valid argument. I recall there were problems with those photos. But then even if they were real, they don't prove what they would have to prove. That there were cremations (attempts?) in Auschwitz isn't really in dispute.

So what would a photo from this prove? It would be still perfectly in line with the Revisionist thesis, but not really help the Exterminationist thesis. Just that it wouldn't contradict this neither.

In other words, there is no silver bullet for either side of the argument, only circumstantial evidence that apparently converges to a conclusion and that is what both sides offer. Both sides appeal to a conspiracy, Aktion 1005 or the Allies kept a document that would unmask the hoax.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:34 am

Hektor wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:11 am

erichunt420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:08 am ....
This is straw man stuff. Someone did a study on this photograph. Had much higher resolution original OG of the photo. I was trained in a traditional photo development and photomaking dark room with the red light and everything. You? What do you know about photoshop now or OG photoshop dodging and burning a print? More than me? Or you just want to believe whatever you want ?

That's an appeal to one's own credentials, which isn't a valid argument. I recall there were problems with those photos. But then even if they were real, they don't prove what they would have to prove. That there were cremations (attempts?) in Auschwitz isn't really in dispute.

So what would a photo from this prove? It would be still perfectly in line with the Revisionist thesis, but not really help the Exterminationist thesis. Just that it wouldn't contradict this neither.

In other words, there is no silver bullet for either side of the argument, only circumstantial evidence that apparently converges to a conclusion and that is what both sides offer. Both sides appeal to a conspiracy, Aktion 1005 or the Allies kept a document that would unmask the hoax.

It's a more complex issue. But the HOlocaustians should have some silver bullet, instead they resort to copouts all the time. The silver bullet would be at least a fraction of what proves their point. But concerning to intention to commit genocide, they point to NS-leadership making statements against Jews. For proving homicidal gas chambers they point to outlandish, contradictory testimony. For the six million figure, you get a 'where did they go'.


The burden of proof would have been on their side. But all we get is narrative pushing. Clearly a campaign. In order to ignore that, they call you conspiracy theorist pointing that out. Revisionists of course can't proof the negative. Since one can come up with another version, whenever the older version is shown to be false or without substance. But Exterminationists had 80 years to prove their case, they failed miserably and have to resort to talking points and court room theatrics, which apparently they are quite good at.

The burden of proof would have been on their side. But all we get is narrative pushing. Clearly a campaign. In order to ignore that, they call you conspiracy theorist pointing that out. Revisionists of course can't proof the negative. Since one can come up with another version, whenever the older version is shown to be false or without substance. But Exterminationists had 80 years to prove their case, they failed miserably and have to resort to talking points and court room theatrics, which apparently they are quite good at.

Hektor

Totally agree. Seems to me very odd that if the revisionist position is only partly true it would prove that 6m jews were not murdered as claimed and that would be good news for jews overall. But they refuse to consider this possibility and take it seriously so one has to work backwards from that intransigence and ask why? What is so bad for israel and jews around the world if the truth came out that instead of gas chambers we had disinfection rooms to make life better, instead of mass murder we had deportation and a new life, instead of huge death tolls we had millions of 'survivors'.

The problem they have is the truth, they hate it because it doesn't suit their agenda and in 2024 or indeed at any time since the auschwitz death toll was reduced from 4m to 2.5m it would be too late and injurious to world jewry if the truth came out. There was a time or a period of time when honesty would have been welcomed and stood the jews in good odour but not now. It would be like my ex wife, who caused such damage and pain in our divorce, now coming forward twenty years later and saying she was wrong and would like us to be at least friendly. My answer to her would be a polite but firm 'fuck off'.