Mike Peinovich Response to Wyatt

[fireofice]

Wyatt has been making several stupid threads on X arguing that the holocaust happened. If anyone remembers the old forum, he showed up there trying to argue his position a few times. Mike Peinovich has been responding to his threads and basically destroying his arguments. He recently just released a whole episode responding to him here:



https://mega.nz/file/SgETjQzD#ihmbYmsoK ... 64rUaZERq8

The whole episode has much useful information and also destroying Wyatt's position. I wonder if Wyatt will show up here again after recently getting into this topic again? We'll see.

[Fred Ziffel]

Does anyone know of a way to contact Mike?

[Archie]

I remember people talking about wyatt on the old forum.

Here's a discussion from 2019 (he's been at this a while). Sounds like he was making the exact same arguments back then. Hoess and the air photos.
https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... ml?t=12715

[Stubble]

I watched the linked video in the op. I give it a solid 8/10. I would recommend.

[Scott]

I continue to be impressed with Mike Peinovich and his study of Revisionism from Germar Rudolf and related Revisionist publications such as Mattogno's works. It is quite refreshing compared to the usual simplistic Internet memes that you might find mined from Stormfront, etc.

I'm a very long-time listener to the TRS radio network and have sometimes found their "grug takes" on many matters irritating ─ but I plan to maintain an annual subscription to TRS dot biz for as long as they address the Holocaust issue from time to time.

Jesse Dunstan also has the soul of a broadcast engineer (I used to be one) and an unusual commitment to quality podcasting. He also has a sense for trying to balance "edginess" that other podcasters like Nick Fuentes will never master.

Also, we should never dismiss that effective propaganda should hit at all levels of the class and intellectual spectrum ─ or, "from the the Ivory tower to the privy wall," as George Lincoln Rockwell once put it.

Still, in my view, the most Revisionist gains will come from meticulous historiography and not slam-dunk or flash-in-the-pan memes and Online arguments.

Both Science and History use revisionist methods to determine approximations or contingent paradigms of the truth. If someone talks about "settled Science" or canonical History as though there is a divine book on a golden shelf that is closed or beyond revision, then they probably don't really understand the subject anyway.

Revisionism is not served by epistemological nihilists like Flat-Earthers who won't look through the Galilean telescope, or observe the Midnight Sun at the poles and potentially revise their perspectives and opinions about reality.

[Archie]

I continue to be impressed with Mike Peinovich and his study of Revisionism from Germar Rudolf and related Revisionist publications such as Mattogno's works. It is quite refreshing compared to the usual simplistic Internet memes that you might find mined from Stormfront, etc.

I'm a very long-time listener to the TRS radio network and have sometimes found their "grug takes" on many matters irritating ─ but I plan to maintain an annual subscription to TRS dot biz for as long as they address the Holocaust issue from time to time.

Jesse Dunstan also has the soul of a broadcast engineer (I used to be one) and an unusual commitment to quality podcasting. He also has a sense for trying to balance "edginess" that other podcasters like Nick Fuentes will never master.

Also, we should never dismiss that effective propaganda should hit at all levels of the class and intellectual spectrum ─ or, "from the the Ivory tower to the privy wall," as George Lincoln Rockwell once put it.

Still, in my view, the most Revisionist gains will come from meticulous historiography and not slam-dunk or flash-in-the-pan memes and Online arguments.

Both Science and History use revisionist methods to determine approximations or contingent paradigms of the truth. If someone talks about "settled Science" or canonical History as though there is a divine book on a golden shelf that is closed or beyond revision, then they probably don't really understand the subject anyway.

Revisionism is not served by epistemological nihilists like Flat-Earthers who won't look through the Galilean telescope, or observe the Midnight Sun at the poles and potentially revise their perspectives and opinions about reality.

Judging from this clip and others, Mike has obviously spent quite a lot of time looking into the subject. Keep in mind as well that he's speaking without a script and probably only working from loose notes and some links.

And just to defend Stormfront a little bit, I was looking over that forum recently and I noticed they had a surprisingly extensive revisionist forum. Yes, it is more oriented toward political activism, but it seems there are some guys over there who are knowledgeable as well.
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/f36/

As far as casual vs more serious revisionism, I very much agree there needs to be a full spectrum.

On one level you have serious primary research. Most people are not going to bother with this. But it's important because it will eventual "trickle down" to the more mainstream debate.

On another level, you have synthesis. This is more about taking the primary research, pulling out the best stuff, and figuring out how to make it more intelligible. The Holocaust Encyclopedia is a great example of this.

Lastly, you have the mass propaganda level. This would be documentaries, memes, whatever else.

My hope is that we are entering a golden age of crowd-sourced research and technology-assisted synthesis that will help us a lot (to be clear: it will help whichever side is right, and I think that's the revisionists). To really move the needle we have to have revisionist material that's really compelling, impeccably sourced, and nicely packaged. So much so that any intellectually-inclined person who gets curious about the topic will be able to get up to speed on the issues very quickly.

[Hektor]

Wyatt has been making several stupid threads on X arguing that the holocaust happened. If anyone remembers the old forum, he showed up there trying to argue his position a few times. Mike Peinovich has been responding to his threads and basically destroying his arguments. He recently just released a whole episode responding to him here:
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When the term Holocaust is used there is an extrapolation and package deal problem.

The term Holocaust is used to cover anything from Nuremberg Laws to 'industrial extermination in homicidal gas chamber' with deportation and internment of Jews inbetween. Now the term Holocaust invokes complete extermination of course, so using Holocaust for issues like legislation, internment, discrimination even executions is intellectually dishonest. Yet this is exactly what is done by the Holocaustians. They will use Jews wearing a star of david as well as people that died in a camp as proof for an extermination program they then call holocaust. Yet they won't touch about the major questions that are in dispute, e.g. the homicidal gas chambers.

[HansHill]

Wyatt has been making several stupid threads on X arguing that the holocaust happened. If anyone remembers the old forum, he showed up there trying to argue his position a few times. Mike Peinovich has been responding to his threads and basically destroying his arguments. He recently just released a whole episode responding to him here:
...

When the term Holocaust is used there is an extrapolation and package deal problem.

The term Holocaust is used to cover anything from Nuremberg Laws to 'industrial extermination in homicidal gas chamber' with deportation and internment of Jews inbetween. Now the term Holocaust invokes complete extermination of course, so using Holocaust for issues like legislation, internment, discrimination even executions is intellectually dishonest. Yet this is exactly what is done by the Holocaustians. They will use Jews wearing a star of david as well as people that died in a camp as proof for an extermination program they then call holocaust. Yet they won't touch about the major questions that are in dispute, e.g. the homicidal gas chambers.

I've also seen Krystallnacht, NOTLK, Book Burnings, Anne Frank, and Schindler's List used as evidence of the Holocaust!

[Hektor]

Wyatt has been making several stupid threads on X arguing that the holocaust happened. If anyone remembers the old forum, he showed up there trying to argue his position a few times. Mike Peinovich has been responding to his threads and basically destroying his arguments. He recently just released a whole episode responding to him here:
...

When the term Holocaust is used there is an extrapolation and package deal problem.

The term Holocaust is used to cover anything from Nuremberg Laws to 'industrial extermination in homicidal gas chamber' with deportation and internment of Jews inbetween. Now the term Holocaust invokes complete extermination of course, so using Holocaust for issues like legislation, internment, discrimination even executions is intellectually dishonest. Yet this is exactly what is done by the Holocaustians. They will use Jews wearing a star of david as well as people that died in a camp as proof for an extermination program they then call holocaust. Yet they won't touch about the major questions that are in dispute, e.g. the homicidal gas chambers.

I've also seen Krystallnacht, NOTLK, Book Burnings, Anne Frank, and Schindler's List used as evidence of the Holocaust!

The term is quite versatile indeed. Shifting around meaning, declaring anything to be part of it. Then you can do a bait and switch....