arab victims of the Holocaust?

[lolmom23]

There's a guy named Gerhard höpp who claims arabs were distrimiated by National Socialists.

He claims that 450 arabs were in the concentration camps, and they were mostly arabs living in France
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Here's the link to his book though your gonna have to pay 40 dollars to read it [https://brill.com/display/book/edcoll/9 ... 18_007.xml]

Thoughts?

[fireofice]

This is probably true. The Third Reich didn't want anyone who wasn't white living in Germany, so they put them in camps as a temporary measure before planning to expel them. I wouldn't call this a "holocaust" though.

[TlsMS93]

If it wasn't a systematic persecution (was that the total number of Arabs in France?) it's because they didn't go there because they were Arabs or Muslims. I've read somewhere that only 2% of German homosexuals were "persecuted" by the regime, and of course they did so for different reasons. It's funny that they still support the gas chambers in Buchenwald.

As for Hitler's possible racial views on Arabs, we have Speer's memoirs, but I don't consider him an impartial source.

Officially, the Nazi regime presented itself in favor of the Arabs in Palestine as a counterpoint to the British presence in that territory and the Jewish influence that was causing tensions in the region, but it also doesn't give an idea of ​​what its true view of the Arabs as a race was. Perhaps it favored Islam with ideas of self-sacrifice, but that's taken from Speer and, as I said, it's not a neutral source.

[lolmom23]

I researched and found that about 23000 Muslims were living in France in the 50s, I assume most of 'em were arabs, highballing that even if at least 3000 arabs were living in France, that still'll be a good chunk of arabs not punished. So they weren't punished 'cause of their race, that's for sure, unlike Jews and Slavs, and that's assuming that the Holocaust is even real (it's not)

[fireofice]

So they weren't punished 'cause of their race, that's for sure, unlike Jews and Slavs, and that's assuming that the Holocaust is even real (it's not)

That doesn't entirely follow. Jews were the race that took up the preoccupation of the Nazis more than any other race, that doesn't mean they weren't concerned about other races. Slavs were considered inferior to Germans and West Europeans in general, but there was more preoccupation with Slavs than with Arabs or blacks simply because there was more of them under their control after the invasion of various Slavic countries. I guarantee you they did not see Arabs or blacks as their racial equal or the equal of even Slavs in any way.

[HansHill]

Assuming this is even real:

4 / 5 survived (80%)
449 / 450 were not executed (99.78%)

Again assuming this is even real, you can imagine the absolute kvetching from the Jews having to share a camp barracks with a Muslim, that kvetching alone would make it not even worth it for the SS to have to listen to.

On a more serious note, a concentration camp is effectively a prison for dissidents and enemy populations. Considering Algeria was a French colony, and France declared war on Germany, this seems consistent with dissident populations. In much the same way that USA camped Japanese, Italian and German populations as they were considered enemy populations.

[Numar Patru]

you can imagine the absolute kvetching from the Jews

Jfc… Are you people unable to keep Jews out of your heads? It’s pathological

[lolmom23]

Here's the Wikipedia link I got it from (go to the section "Nazi persceuction of Arabs") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations ... prov=sfla1

[lolmom23]

So they weren't punished 'cause of their race, that's for sure, unlike Jews and Slavs, and that's assuming that the Holocaust is even real (it's not)

That doesn't entirely follow. Jews were the race that took up the preoccupation of the Nazis more than any other race, that doesn't mean they weren't concerned about other races. Slavs were considered inferior to Germans and West Europeans in general, but there was more preoccupation with Slavs than with Arabs or blacks simply because there was more than them under their control after the invasion of various Slavic countries. I guarantee you they did not see Arabs or blacks as their racial equal or the equal of even Slavs in any way.

Hitler saw Indians as subhuman, that didn't mean the Nazis killed every Indian they saw, it doesn't matter how the nazis saw the race, it matters what they do to 'em

[HansHill]

Hitler saw Indians as subhuman, that didn't mean the Nazis killed every Indian they saw, it doesn't matter how the nazis saw the race, it matters what they do to 'em

What exactly did Adolf Hitler say about Indian people? I've just control+f'd in Mein Kampf and all he talks about India is his preference that England would retain it

[lolmom23]

Hitler saw Indians as subhuman, that didn't mean the Nazis killed every Indian they saw, it doesn't matter how the nazis saw the race, it matters what they do to 'em

What exactly did Adolf Hitler say about Indian people? I've just control+f'd in Mein Kampf and all he talks about India is his preference that England would retain it

In that page, he's saying that britiian shouldn't let racial degradation in their administration. I think you can connect 2 with 2 to figure that out.

[HansHill]

Are you saying he has no comments on Indian people save for, he wishes for a homogenous Britain to rule India?

Do you have any quote where he calls them subhuman, low IQ, inferior, undesirable?

[Hektor]

So they weren't punished 'cause of their race, that's for sure, unlike Jews and Slavs, and that's assuming that the Holocaust is even real (it's not)

That doesn't entirely follow. Jews were the race that took up the preoccupation of the Nazis more than any other race, that doesn't mean they weren't concerned about other races. Slavs were considered inferior to Germans and West Europeans in general, but there was more preoccupation with Slavs than with Arabs or blacks simply because there was more than them under their control after the invasion of various Slavic countries. I guarantee you they did not see Arabs or blacks as their racial equal or the equal of even Slavs in any way.

Hitler saw Indians as subhuman, that didn't mean the Nazis killed every Indian they saw, it doesn't matter how the nazis saw the race, it matters what they do to 'em

Given that people seem to think that they can say anything shamelessly about "Nazi-Germany" or Germans during WW2, they will have to back up every single detail of their statements...


As for how races were seen. No sane person saw everyone as equal ever.. But the straw men making the rounds nowadays are simply not truthful....

[lolmom23]

That doesn't entirely follow. Jews were the race that took up the preoccupation of the Nazis more than any other race, that doesn't mean they weren't concerned about other races. Slavs were considered inferior to Germans and West Europeans in general, but there was more preoccupation with Slavs than with Arabs or blacks simply because there was more than them under their control after the invasion of various Slavic countries. I guarantee you they did not see Arabs or blacks as their racial equal or the equal of even Slavs in any way.

Hitler saw Indians as subhuman, that didn't mean the Nazis killed every Indian they saw, it doesn't matter how the nazis saw the race, it matters what they do to 'em

Given that people seem to think that they can say anything shamelessly about "Nazi-Germany" or Germans during WW2, they will have to back up every single detail of their statements...


As for how races were seen. No sane person saw everyone as equal ever.. But the straw men making the rounds nowadays are simply not truthful....

So do you think that arabs were treated like shit by National Socialists

[Hektor]

I don't think they were 'treated like shit'... I don't believe the rest of the narratives created after ww2 neither...