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There have been questions about this, so we can use this thread to discuss the matter. Let's stick to basic facts and the organizational implications and not get into speculative, salacious, or defamatory comments.

1) Germar was arrested on 12/9/2024 in NY
https://recentlybooked.com/NY/Cattaraug ... 2420_65644
"Fugitive From Justice - Out of State Crime"

This appears to be related to charges from Pennsylvania. There is nothing to indicate he is being extradited to Germany for Holocaust denial.

2) Pennsylvania Records
Most states allow you to search court records online.
https://www.pacourts.us/public-records/ ... nformation
I see six criminal items. Four of them are closed and two are inactive. The inactive cases are from 2022.
There are charges for "open lewdness" etc with an offense date of 7/16/2022
The other is for "defiant trepass" with offense date of 8/25/2022

On 10/27/2022, warrants were issued for his arrest due to failure to appear in court https://attorneyportal.yorkcountypa.gov ... antPortal/

So, what does this all mean? Apparently, GR continued with his exercise routine even into 2022 and new charges were brought. GR then failed to appear in court and so a bench warrant was issued for his arrest.

3) The Shields podcast was not related
The debate was recorded in California weeks ago. It is coincidental that news of the 12/9 arrest broke at the same time the debate was posted online (12/12).

Implications
I do not know GR's immigration situation, but as I recall he had said the problems had been resolved. Generally speaking, for someone with a green card to get deported, you have to get convicted of a felony (or they have to show you got your green card under false pretenses). I would not think any of the above would be serious enough to result in his deportation from the US.

It's an inflated bagatelle... Under any other circumstances such cases are dismissed after a warning perhaps. But to me this all sounds very trumped up. Now if Germar changed clothing 4 A.M in the morning than that indicates that the 'arresting officer' must have been following him. Best explanation is that they wanted to get some dirt on him to use it for harassment later. And 'lewdness' charges are ideal for later smearing campaigns which the Defenders of the Holocaust love so much.

If you have to resort to that tactics than that tells me a lot about the case you got.

Hektor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:57 pm It's an inflated bagatelle... Under any other circumstances such cases are dismissed after a warning perhaps. But to me this all sounds very trumped up. Now if Germar changed clothing 4 A.M in the morning than that indicates that the 'arresting officer' must have been following him. Best explanation is that they wanted to get some dirt on him to use it for harassment later. And 'lewdness' charges are ideal for later smearing campaigns which the Defenders of the Holocaust love so much.

If you have to resort to that tactics than that tells me a lot about the case you got.

They love to use these events to generalize revisionists as dangerous people to justify exceptions to freedom of expression rights. Now, if a member of their race commits atrocities like Epstein, then he stops being Jewish and doesn't even appear in biographies. Only they have this tool of praising those who do something useful and not recognizing those who do evil.

Archie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:36 pmApparently, GR continued with his exercise routine even into 2022 and new charges were brought. GR then failed to appear in court and so a bench warrant was issued for his arrest.

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I do not know GR's immigration situation, but as I recall he had said the problems had been resolved. Generally speaking, for someone with a green card to get deported, you have to get convicted of a felony (or they have to show you got your green card under false pretenses). I would not think any of the above would be serious enough to result in his deportation from the US.

Here is an AI-assisted reconstruction of what has happened as of 2022, based on available court records:

July 16, 2022:

- Location: School grounds in Red Lion Borough
- The individual allegedly exposed himself in a public place (M1 indecent exposure)
- This was done where others could observe (open lewdness)
- It occurred on posted school property where he wasn't authorized to be (defiant trespass on school grounds)
- The conduct created a hazardous or offensive condition without legitimate purpose (disorderly conduct)

The M1 (higher) grade of indecent exposure rather than M2 likely reflects the proximity to a school.

August 25, 2022:

- After the July incident, he was likely explicitly told not to return to the property
- He allegedly returned anyway, leading to the defiant trespass charge based on "actual communication"
- This second incident doesn't include any lewdness or exposure charges, suggesting he simply returned to the property after being banned

The consolidation of the cases and progression of charges suggests a pattern where the defendant committed alleged acts of exposure on school property, was formally banned from returning, but then returned anyway about six weeks later.
The defendant failed to appear for arraignment on October 27, 2022, resulting in bench warrants.

Looking at the records, there's a new case number CP-67-MD-0003366-2024 listed as "Awaiting Extradition Hearing" in status. This appears to be very recent, as it's referenced in current (December 2024) documentation.
Regarding extradition likelihood:

- The charges are all misdemeanors (M1, M3) and summary offenses
- They're non-violent offenses
- Total financial penalties appear relatively low ($469.95 in witness fees)
- However, the allegedly sexual nature of the offenses (indecent exposure near a school) and the existence of multiple cases/warrants could be aggravating factors

Generally, misdemeanor-level offenses aren't typically considered serious enough to pursue international extradition, especially given the costs and diplomatic complexities involved. However, the school-related context and the pattern of behavior might make authorities more inclined to pursue it.

That said, without access to the actual extradition hearing documents or knowing the full circumstances (including where the individual currently is), I can't make a definitive assessment of the likelihood of successful extradition.

It appears that, sometime before July 2022, Germar changed his usual 3-4am morning run route (to the park which he would end up at previously) through another area, this time through or near to a school (obviously not in session at the time, given the extreme-early hours and also the fact that his arrest date, July 16, 2022, was a Saturday). Presumably, he was caught in the same embarrassing situation as before (changing his clothing at the end of a workout). Thereafter, it is worth noting he ran the same route about a month or so later, this time arrested only for trespassing without any claim of lewdness or indecent exposure.

This is obviously a situation which I think it would be in Germar's best interest to explain in detail, at some point, but I also know he found the 2019 situation quite embarrassing and was likely far too humiliated to come out openly about this subsequent (and similar) personal encounter.

His newly-indicated extradition hearing seems to suggest some attempt to use these alleged incidents to expel him from the US completely.

One more thing I want to distinguish here, as it is undoubtedly of central relevance to any perceived 'controversy' in any of what has recently been happening with Germar: that of public nudity versus sexual perversion.

To my knowledge, there is not a shred of evidence that anything Germar has done has had any sexual element, whatsoever.

Let's assume (purely hypothetical) just for a moment Germar was actually nude in any of these public settings, and beyond the time it takes to merely change one's workout clothing. With this, and on the question of public nudity, some context is necessary. While public nudity is generally forbidden in the US, this is definitely not the case in Germany:

https://www.seattletimes.com/life/trave ... -optional/

Public nudity is generally legal across Germany, and has been a notable part of German culture since the late 19th century:



In fact, the nudist/naturist colonies seen throughout the US and other countries stem from a culture originating in Germany, from this same period:

By the 20th century the culture of communal open air nudity in the "great outdoors" and its benefits to public health blossomed in Germany as an alternative to the stresses and anxieties of Industrial Age urban life.[1][3] Today, there are only a few legal restrictions on public nudity in Germany. Under the terms "naturism" and "nudism", it is now internationally widespread, with associations and designated public recreational environments in numerous countries in Europe, North and South America, Australia, Africa, Asia and the Caribbean;[4] the largest distribution is still found in German-speaking countries and Scandinavia.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freik%C3%B6rperkultur

Someone who is attempting to flash their genitalia to people within the general public for sexual reasons does not do this in pitch-black public parks or totally-empty schools at 3am and on a weekend. They do not do this as part of a general morning health and wellness or exercise routine (Germar is known for having a consistent fitness routine, including calisthenics or body-weight workouts). To my knowledge, Germar's alleged activities were not even seen nor reported by the citizens of Pennsylvania. He was found by the patrolling officers who undoubtedly frequent public settings looking for drug abusers and the like, rather than for persecuted German citizens seeking a secluded place outdoors (reasonably near to their home) to maintain some health practices deeply ingrained in their national culture.

The [hypothetical] question of Germar potentially showing a lack of due attention to the law or level of enforcement regarding wellness practices he might have adopted while in Germany, is totally irrelevant to any baseless questions of him as some kind of sexual 'pervert'.

The focus is on enjoying nature, being nude or the realization of freedom. The nudity of naturism has no sexual relation.[8] Nudity on the beach and in water, in comparison to wearing swimsuits, is accompanied with a different body surface sensation, which is mostly experienced as pleasant.[9] In the sense of nudity propagated by the Freikörperkultur it does not address sexuality and is not directly related to it.

(op cit.)

As an American, the notion of nudity in public seems pretty outrageous to me, as it just is not something that Americans generally see or do. The situation is much different for Germans and Germany, where feeling a cool breeze or skinny dipping in a river in broad daylight (let alone the dark, wee morning hours) would be a very normal, day-to-day occurrence. Note that Germar never wanted to "run away" to the US. Aside from the legal persecution he has faced, I have little doubt that Germar has a great deal of love for Germany, most of its history, and its culture. He was forced into the US after being persecuted, imprisoned and threatened repeatedly for speaking the truth. If this doesn't spell out a man who will take some risk to retain some beloved aspects of his German identity, I do not know what does.

But, good luck pleading that case as a "Holocaust denier" in America.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:24 pm

Hektor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2024 2:57 pm It's an inflated bagatelle... Under any other circumstances such cases are dismissed after a warning perhaps. But to me this all sounds very trumped up. Now if Germar changed clothing 4 A.M in the morning than that indicates that the 'arresting officer' must have been following him. Best explanation is that they wanted to get some dirt on him to use it for harassment later. And 'lewdness' charges are ideal for later smearing campaigns which the Defenders of the Holocaust love so much.

If you have to resort to that tactics than that tells me a lot about the case you got.

They love to use these events to generalize revisionists as dangerous people to justify exceptions to freedom of expression rights. Now, if a member of their race commits atrocities like Epstein, then he stops being Jewish and doesn't even appear in biographies. Only they have this tool of praising those who do something useful and not recognizing those who do evil.

They go far broader than Revisionists and actually use people's ignorance in this.
Anyone that isn't a woke, progressive do-gooder must be made suspect somehow. Now they still may tolerate cuckservatives... but obviously they need them as shills and side-kicks to pretend that they have some 'diversity' of opinion there.


In Germany the 'uniqueness of the Holocaust' is used to justify an exception from the 'freedom of expression' rule. It's a joker argument to then go and justify all kinds of repressive measures not only against "Holocaust Revisionist", but any meaningful opposition in general.


The Question of the behavior of Jews and how it is different from the bulk of the non-Jews is another matter. It's not to be addressed. Jews aren't to be critiqued, at least not as a group and in terms of social behavior....

The trump card was that the critiques of Judaism within academia and especially theology were neutralized.

In Germany this is even celebrated....


Critical examination and investigation of Judaism was a big no, no....

Callafangers wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:03 am One more thing I want to distinguish here, as it is undoubtedly of central relevance to any perceived 'controversy' in any of what has recently been happening with Germar: that of public nudity versus sexual perversion.

To my knowledge, there is not a shred of evidence that anything Germar has done has had any sexual element, whatsoever.

Let's assume (purely hypothetical) just for a moment Germar was actually nude in any of these public settings, and beyond the time it takes to merely change one's workout clothing. With this, and on the question of public nudity, some context is necessary. While public nudity is generally forbidden in the US, this is definitely not the case in Germany:
...
Public nudity is generally legal across Germany, and has been a notable part of German culture since the late 19th century:
...

Public nudity is an offense in Germany. But to trigger government action including judicial one... members of the public have to file charges against you... Not a policemen that follows you.... The FKK / nudists operate their own premises secluded from the public... It's like a private club or swimming pool, where folks are allowed to run around naked. You can't really force this on other people... Although this is what LGBT tries to do at the moment.


From the facts given. It's clear that Germar did simply change his clothing. He was not 'exposing himself to third parties'... The later was the element of concern in that law....

Hektor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:09 am Public nudity is an offense in Germany. But to trigger government action including judicial one... members of the public have to file charges against you... Not a policemen that follows you.... The FKK / nudists operate their own premises secluded from the public... It's like a private club or swimming pool, where folks are allowed to run around naked. You can't really force this on other people... Although this is what LGBT tries to do at the moment.

From what I have found, nudity in most contexts is generally accepted in Germany.

To be clear, no law in Germany expressly prohibits (nonsexual) nudity.

Nakedness on private grounds is considered legal, even if visible from outside. The same applies to naked sunbathing, unless otherwise stated by local laws.

https://www.dw.com/en/is-germany-drawin ... a-70545048

While nudity in mainstream American culture is generally considered to be sexual, here in Germany, stripping down isn’t uncommon in certain everyday situations. I’ve grown used to nude-by-default saunas; taken dips in pools where swimming suits were birthday suits; and surprised a massage therapist when I disrobed unprompted before a treatment, leading him to remark that Americans usually need to be asked to take off their clothes.

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/2020 ... -in-public

Even now I’m comfortable with getting naked in the sauna or gym changing room. Maybe it’s because I’m German.

Nudism is traditionally popular in Germany, a country considered buttoned up and conservative compared with, let’s say, Italy.

In Germany, nudism is known as Freikoerperkultur (FKK), Free Body Culture. When you travel there, you’ll see that baring all is normal in saunas, swimming pools, the park and on the beach.

Summer in the parks of Berlin and Munich brings the chance of encountering a middle-aged, bronzed German wearing only a hat and the BILD-Zeitung, Germany’s favorite tabloid.

Forget sausages and beer, the sign of true German-ness is publicly disrobing with absolutely zero self-consciousness. For me, it’s often just quicker and easier to do a clean strip at the pool or sauna than frantically trying to hide the bits that everyone else is already displaying without batting an eyelid.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/nake ... index.html

I have not seen the police report for this 2022 incident, and I have not heard Germar's statement, so I do not know the details. The information I shared above is simply to highlight what could be considered a hypothetical "worst-case scenario", based on my own understanding. This "worst-case" is that Germar was being... German. The bottom-line is that no matter how one interprets this, it isn't some 'shocking scandal'. There were no 'victims' and some of the claims I have seen made against Germar by his detractors remain obscenely false and defamatory.

There is a paragraph against Exhibitionism:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__183.html

So in common public I won't try that and people are generally dressed there, although there were also people running around naked during 'gay parades'..... One has to bear in mind that there must be people laying charges with the police.... Don't think police follows that up pro-actively.

It's a bit different with premises that announce that people will be naked. E.g. Sauna, etc. Now I recall this in SA as well. And it was separate in bathing and sports facilities... Problem was that those premises at some stage started to attract homosexuals and people started feeling uncomfortable.

With the woke wave, homosexuals will feel more free to offend and to harass....

Hektor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:04 pm There is a paragraph against Exhibitionism:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__183.html

So in common public I won't try that and people are generally dressed there, although there were also people running around naked during 'gay parades'..... One has to bear in mind that there must be people laying charges with the police.... Don't think police follows that up pro-actively.

It's a bit different with premises that announce that people will be naked. E.g. Sauna, etc. Now I recall this in SA as well. And it was separate in bathing and sports facilities... Problem was that those premises at some stage started to attract homosexuals and people started feeling uncomfortable.

With the woke wave, homosexuals will feel more free to offend and to harass....

I agree with all that but it sounds like you're talking about nudity where people are around. This certainly is not the case with Germar's situation (at 3-4am in dark, isolated areas with no people nearby). He clearly wanted to be left alone.

Hektor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:04 pm There is a paragraph against Exhibitionism:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__183.html

Also, on this law you reference above (re: exhibitionism), this is specifically about when someone exposes their genitals in public with the intent to shock, offend, or sexually arouse themselves by the reaction of others. This is not relevant to Germar's situation and is distinct from general public nudity, which is generally legal (and fairly common) in Germany.

It’s very unlikely Pennsylvania would pursue an extradition from New York on a misdemeanor charge. It’s far more likely to be something like unpaid child support. He has written in the past about problems in his marriage, and I’m certain he has children.

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:49 pm It’s very unlikely Pennsylvania would pursue an extradition from New York on a misdemeanor charge. It’s far more likely to be something like unpaid child support. He has written in the past about problems in his marriage, and I’m certain he has children.

I would not want to discuss too much of Germar's personal situation beyond what has gone overtly public. But I do imagine some of the heavily-Jewish courts in the US could "try their luck" on extradition even for charges which make it a long-shot.

Callafangers wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:39 pm

Hektor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:04 pm There is a paragraph against Exhibitionism:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__183.html

Also, on this law you reference above (re: exhibitionism), this is specifically about when someone exposes their genitals in public with the intent to shock, offend, or sexually arouse themselves by the reaction of others. This is not relevant to Germar's situation and is distinct from general public nudity, which is generally legal (and fairly common) in Germany.

The issue is that someone needs to object and lay charges. And if something is exhibitionism is of course open to interpretation.

Callafangers wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:24 am

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:49 pm It’s very unlikely Pennsylvania would pursue an extradition from New York on a misdemeanor charge. It’s far more likely to be something like unpaid child support. He has written in the past about problems in his marriage, and I’m certain he has children.

I would not want to discuss too much of Germar's personal situation beyond what has gone overtly public. But I do imagine some of the heavily-Jewish courts in the US could "try their luck" on extradition even for charges which make it a long-shot.

He lives in York County, which is not only very not-Jewish but something of a white nationalist stronghold.

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:43 am He lives in York County, which is not only very not-Jewish but something of a white nationalist stronghold.

The Chairman of the Board of Supervisors of Germar's 2019 arrest township is George Yakubowski. His issuing judge was John H. Fishel for both 2019 and 2022. These are Jewish names. Here's the police department that arrested him at a menorah lighting ceremony, wearing little hats:


[EDIT: This reference is to the wrong police department, I shared this in error, see subsequent posts]

Moreover, by focusing in on Germar's immediate area, this deflects from the indisputable fact that Jews have thoroughly saturated the legal system of the USA, which is all that I said was the case and which makes my earlier point. If you're going to suggest Jews don't actually have a massive, disproportionate stake in the US legal system, best of luck to ya'.