Revisionism's [Limited?] Role in Modern Politics

[TlsMS93]

There's no evidence here of mass murders related to a genocidal order or plan. All we have are concentration camps where people were exploited to the limit of their strength, widespread chaos, a regime prioritizing its own population over foreigners, and common crimes under the law of war. But there's nothing clear about genocide here. No area of the Eastern Front was actually Judenfrei, since courts recognized that areas under Manstein's control had active Jewish communities, and this was supported by documents attesting to the area's cleansing of Jews.

[InuYasha]

There has been no revision of the narrative first reported by the Polish and then the Slovakians, that the Nazis were mass murdering Jews by shooting and in camps.

There were individual executions by shooting and hanging, but this was no different from similar measures in concentration camps and prisoner-of-war camps in other countries. This is not a policy of "mass extermination."

Do you know about the first reports that all official historians have long since disowned?

Because those early reports mentioned all sorts of things: trains with slaked lime, electric and steam chambers, air pumping, an unknown "black liquid" that supposedly came out of the showers, and so on.

The flood of these reports suddenly began in 1942, and the official version was not even agreed upon by the end of the war. Otherwise, there would not have been disagreements between the Allies and the Soviets in 1945 over the description of Auschwitz (As in Polevoy's article, "The Death Factory in Auschwitz", February 2, 1945, Pravda).

Well, these stories have been abandoned by both revisionists and even supporters of the official version.

Revisionism cannot destroy any world order, for the simple reason that it cannot revise the history of mass murders.

Actually, there is evidence, for example, that the so-called gas chambers of Auschwitz (with WOODEN doors) were not gas chambers. This was proven in 1988 by Fred Leuchter at the second Zundel trial, and then by Germar Rudolf in 1991-93. On the contrary, there is no evidence of mass graves on the scale claimed by exterminationists.

Revisionism has in fact long ago revised the history of the Holocaust. These were deportations to the East, and most of the deaths were from disease and starvation, especially at the end of the war. There were executions in the concentration camps, don't get me wrong, they were horrible places, but they were not "mass killing centers".

Revisionists cannot prove what really happened inside the AR camps, Chelmno or A-B Kremas. Without that evidenced chronology, revising history, all they are left with are conspiratorial claims.

I think it's obvious. The crematorium ovens didn't have the capacity to dispose of human corpses on the scale stated by official historians. They existed, yes, but they were used for another purpose - to burn the bodies of those who died from diseases, such as typhus. This is a common sanitary measure to prevent an epidemic.

There were gas chambers, but they were disinfection chambers, not places of mass murder.

Because Holocaust revisionism is a blatant lie, based on illogical arguments, that is designed to spread hate.

With the same success, however, I can declare that the official historiography of the Holocaust is a blatant lie, the purpose of which is to spread hatred towards Germans (and I will not be so far from the truth).

It seems to me that revisionists are driven mainly by a sincere desire for the truth. I have even been accused here of being some kind of "Israeli agent", although this is an obvious lie. I simply realized that I cannot live with lies, with a stream of unfair accusations against entire nations, and accordingly - in a world based on lies.

The role of actual, evidenced revision, is enormous. So-called Holocaust revisionists, cannot revise. It is conspiracy claptrap.

Holocaust revisionism is... real, demonstrative revisionism of history.

You can deny it for a number of reasons, but it is a fact. Revisionists have been able to reconstruct the real course of events from 1941-45, the so-called Holocaust, quite well.

[Callafangers]

I notice here a frequent hatred towards intergenerational intimacy. If it is an American resource - nothing surprising.

I see nothing wrong with voluntary AMSC, since the claims of "inevitable harm" or "psychotrauma" are the result of decades of brainwashing of Americans, one of the other great myths of our time (like the Holocaust itself or 9/11).

Consensual relationships with a difference in age are not bad in themselves. American bigots and hypocrites call it "pedophilia", but it took them decades to impose false double standards on the whole world (aka "homosexuality is the norm, and pedosexuality is a dangerous deviation").

Violent rape is another matter, and it should be condemned, but Americans in their hatred and hypocrisy mix up the two concepts.
In fact, America treats MAP people the same way as Zionists treat Palestinians.

If Macron and his wife are to be accused of anything, it certainly isn’t voluntary, mutual love.

Absolutely disgusting, warranting an immediate ban, utter condemnation, and report to regional authorities.

Exploitation of children is not something CODOH nor anyone of sound and decent mind can ever find remotely permissible.

You are a deplorable, loathsome individual who has no business sharing a platform with anyone seeking truth and decency anywhere.

[HansHill]

I notice here a frequent hatred towards intergenerational intimacy. If it is an American resource - nothing surprising.

I see nothing wrong with voluntary AMSC, since the claims of "inevitable harm" or "psychotrauma" are the result of decades of brainwashing of Americans, one of the other great myths of our time (like the Holocaust itself or 9/11).

Consensual relationships with a difference in age are not bad in themselves. American bigots and hypocrites call it "pedophilia", but it took them decades to impose false double standards on the whole world (aka "homosexuality is the norm, and pedosexuality is a dangerous deviation").

Violent rape is another matter, and it should be condemned, but Americans in their hatred and hypocrisy mix up the two concepts.
In fact, America treats MAP people the same way as Zionists treat Palestinians.

If Macron and his wife are to be accused of anything, it certainly isn’t voluntary, mutual love.

Absolutely disgusting, warranting an immediate ban, utter condemnation, and report to regional authorities.

Exploitation of children is not something CODOH nor anyone of sound and decent mind can ever find remotely permissible.

You are a deplorable, loathsome individual who has no business sharing a platform with anyone seeking truth and decency anywhere.

>Anime avatar
Every single time!

[Archie]

AMSC = Adult-Minor Sexual Contact
MAP = Minor-Attracted Person
"pedosexuality"



I don't even want to know what's on this guy's hard drive. InuYasha has been sent away for special treatment.

[Stubble]

Absolutely disgusting, warranting an immediate ban, utter condemnation, and report to regional authorities.

Watch, tomorrow's headline;

'Holocaust Denier and CODOH Forum member arrested for pedophilia'....It will never be mentioned the tip came from said forum.

These brainwashed commie mother....

I'm not just calling him a red because I think all pedoes are reds either. He is a social Democrat progressive liberal, thus, he is a Cultural Marxist. Part of his ideology is that 'age is just a number' and that sex education should be mandatory in kindergarten. Read a M.I.M. (moaist internationalist movement) newsletter some time. It will put your jaw in the floor and make you feel like you got punched in the gut.

This, this is exactly the social degeneracy we were warned about 80 odd years ago, and from the same poisoned well spring.

Some consumable media to elucidate my point;

[TlsMS93]

This guy is reproducing degenerate Jewish culture here and still claims to be awakened to poison other people's reputations.

There are many Jews out there who proudly claim that it was Judaism that anticipated and influenced this perception of unlimited gender identities. The more secular, liberal, and progressive Jews are the ones who affect gentiles the most, adapting distorted interpretations of their literature to suit their secular lifestyle.

[Nessie]

There has been no revision of the narrative first reported by the Polish and then the Slovakians, that the Nazis were mass murdering Jews by shooting and in camps.

There were individual executions by shooting and hanging, but this was no different from similar measures in concentration camps and prisoner-of-war camps in other countries. This is not a policy of "mass extermination."

Do you know about the first reports that all official historians have long since disowned?

Because those early reports mentioned all sorts of things: trains with slaked lime, electric and steam chambers, air pumping, an unknown "black liquid" that supposedly came out of the showers, and so on.

The flood of these reports suddenly began in 1942, and the official version was not even agreed upon by the end of the war. Otherwise, there would not have been disagreements between the Allies and the Soviets in 1945 over the description of Auschwitz (As in Polevoy's article, "The Death Factory in Auschwitz", February 2, 1945, Pravda).

Well, these stories have been abandoned by both revisionists and even supporters of the official version.

The main narrative was of mass arrests, shootings, ghettos, forced labour, transports and certain camps being used for mass murder. That has never changed. You cherry pick details, and fail to acknowledge that subsequent investigations then established what was atrocity story and rumour and what was correct.

Revisionism cannot destroy any world order, for the simple reason that it cannot revise the history of mass murders.

Actually, there is evidence, for example, that the so-called gas chambers of Auschwitz (with WOODEN doors) were not gas chambers. This was proven in 1988 by Fred Leuchter at the second Zundel trial, and then by Germar Rudolf in 1991-93. On the contrary, there is no evidence of mass graves on the scale claimed by exterminationists.

Revisionism has in fact long ago revised the history of the Holocaust. These were deportations to the East, and most of the deaths were from disease and starvation, especially at the end of the war. There were executions in the concentration camps, don't get me wrong, they were horrible places, but they were not "mass killing centers".

You are describing a failure to revise history. What you describe is Holocaust denial, with the claims of no gas chambers at A-B, no mass graves and supposed deportations to the east, but no evidence presented to prove that the millions supposedly not killed, were still alive in 1944 and liberated in 1945.

You need to actually revise the history of the millions of Jews arrested by the Nazis, 1939-44 and present an evidenced chronology that proves the survival and liberation of millions.

Revisionists cannot prove what really happened inside the AR camps, Chelmno or A-B Kremas. Without that evidenced chronology, revising history, all they are left with are conspiratorial claims.

I think it's obvious. The crematorium ovens didn't have the capacity to dispose of human corpses on the scale stated by official historians. They existed, yes, but they were used for another purpose - to burn the bodies of those who died from diseases, such as typhus. This is a common sanitary measure to prevent an epidemic.

There were gas chambers, but they were disinfection chambers, not places of mass murder.

Again, you are denying, not revising history. You cannot evidence what the AR camps or Chelmno were used for. You just deny they were death camps.

You then contradict Leuchter and Rudolf, who you just claimed proved there were no gas chambers, by claiming there were gas chambers but that they were used for clothing, not people. When you do try to revise history, you fall apart and contradict each other, because none of you have an evidenced chronology compelling enough to become the agreed narrative.

Because Holocaust revisionism is a blatant lie, based on illogical arguments, that is designed to spread hate.

With the same success, however, I can declare that the official historiography of the Holocaust is a blatant lie, the purpose of which is to spread hatred towards Germans (and I will not be so far from the truth).

You cannot claim the same success as historians. They have an evidenced chronology of events, that leads to a conclusion. They do not rely on illogical arguments, or fall apart into contradiction and disagreement, like so-called revisionists do.

It seems to me that revisionists are driven mainly by a sincere desire for the truth. I have even been accused here of being some kind of "Israeli agent", although this is an obvious lie. I simply realized that I cannot live with lies, with a stream of unfair accusations against entire nations, and accordingly - in a world based on lies.

The role of actual, evidenced revision, is enormous. So-called Holocaust revisionists, cannot revise. It is conspiracy claptrap.

Holocaust revisionism is... real, demonstrative revisionism of history.

You can deny it for a number of reasons, but it is a fact. Revisionists have been able to reconstruct the real course of events from 1941-45, the so-called Holocaust, quite well.

OK, then please evidence millions of Jews alive in camps and ghettos in 1944 and liberated in 1945. Evidence what happened inside the AR camps and Chelmno. Explain why you have contadicted Leuchter and Rudolf by claiming the A-B Kremas had delousing chambers, when they say they cannot have had any gas chambers at all.

[SanityCheck]

Nessie, not only are you replying to a now-banned member, that member was banned for signalling they are okay paedophilia, using the dead giveaway MAP (Minor-Attracted Person).

[Nessie]

Nessie, not only are you replying to a now-banned member, that member was banned for signalling they are okay paedophilia, using the dead giveaway MAP (Minor-Attracted Person).

I responded via notifications, which takes me straight to the post I am reply to, so I did not see other responses, and that post makes no reference to what got him banned.