Soviet POWs and Jews in the East

[Nessie]

There is no evidence of millions of Jews in the East, so the revisionists here have run off-topic to argue their incredulity about Poland being able to supply wood for pyres and the volume of disturbed ground containing cremated remains. Logically flawed arguments are presented in lieu of evidence.

Millions of Jews in the East would leave a lot of evidence, so it is no wonder revisionists do not want to debate their lack of evidence and what they means.

[TlsMS93]

There are 9 million Germans missing from the 1946-50 census, but since they were German, who cares?

[Stubble]

There is no evidence of millions of Jews in the East, so the revisionists here have run off-topic to argue their incredulity about Poland being able to supply wood for pyres and the volume of disturbed ground containing cremated remains. Logically flawed arguments are presented in lieu of evidence.

Millions of Jews in the East would leave a lot of evidence, so it is no wonder revisionists do not want to debate their lack of evidence and what they means.

Again, there are other threads for this.

Again, there are jews who were on one side or the other of the iron curtain who thought their families had been killed, only to find them alive after the fall of the Berlin wall.

Again, address the content of this thread Nessie, address the content of other threads where they stand.

You are really trying to use my off hand statement to pull this thread off topic and to fill this thread with a bunch of non sequiturs.

Of note, I'm one guy on the internet, not 'revisionists'.

Again, address this thread here.

I can't help but notice, you didn't chose to go off on a tangent or to even reply to my other statements in this thread, just the one comment you can try to use to pull us off topic, such is your motis operandi. You always do this.

To address the wood for the pyres, do it in the appropriate thread.

To address the content of this thread, try actually engaging with it at a root level and engage with the posts that pertain to the thread, please.

[Nessie]

There is no evidence of millions of Jews in the East, so the revisionists here have run off-topic to argue their incredulity about Poland being able to supply wood for pyres and the volume of disturbed ground containing cremated remains. Logically flawed arguments are presented in lieu of evidence.

Millions of Jews in the East would leave a lot of evidence, so it is no wonder revisionists do not want to debate their lack of evidence and what they means.

Again, there are other threads for this.

From the OP

"...there is good reason to infer that their treatment of Jews in general who were also previously in German captivity would have been potentially even more violent, oppressive, and devastating.

This is a central topic to the question of any "missing Jews", as these are precisely the Jews which are documented by Germany (through official Final Solution policy) of having been relocated to these remote, post-war Soviet territories."

Again, there are jews who were on one side or the other of the iron curtain who thought their families had been killed, only to find them alive after the fall of the Berlin wall.

Again, address the content of this thread Nessie, address the content of other threads where they stand.

You are really trying to use my off hand statement to pull this thread off topic and to fill this thread with a bunch of non sequiturs.

Of note, I'm one guy on the internet, not 'revisionists'.

Again, address this thread here.

I can't help but notice, you didn't chose to go off on a tangent or to even reply to my other statements in this thread, just the one comment you can try to use to pull us off topic, such is your motis operandi. You always do this.

To address the wood for the pyres, do it in the appropriate thread.

To address the content of this thread, try actually engaging with it at a root level and engage with the posts that pertain to the thread, please.

Please stay on topic and evidence "missing Jews" in the East. Not the ones who were never arrested by the Nazis, as it is evidenced what happened to them. The ones who were allegedly relocated by the Nazis to remote Soviet territories. Show me documents, witness statements, the physical evidence of where millions ended up living.

[TlsMS93]

“The Nazis covered up their crimes.” The Allies were incapable of doing so, and even more incapable of cleaning up documents that could exonerate the high-ranking Nazi regime in the trial that had already been planned and devised by Stalin.

On the contrary, the Nazis, despite supposedly destroying evidence of their crimes, committed suicide at the end of the war. There is no point in hiding them to protect anyone. The Allies needed to create unspeakable crimes to revolutionize international law for crimes that did not yet exist. The Allies had the hunger and international Jewry had the desire to eat, combining business with pleasure. With this, the United States had its base in the Middle East established in the face of Arab opposition. Without the Holocaust, this would have been impossible.

[Numar Patru]

The Soviet Union evinced mostly hostility toward Israel despite it being the first world power to recognize Israel’s Declaration of Independence. Stalin began to organize a rhetorical strategy designed to delegitimize Zionism before he died. Things reached their nadir between 1965 and 1979, with the USSR funding most of Israel’s enemies, most importantly Nasser, and opposing US intervention on Israel’s behalf. Only the Soviets’ misadventure in Afghanistan detracted attention away from its focus on Israel as a western base of power in the Middle East.

Thus, if the USSR had evidence that the Holocaust was fake, why not use it and delegitimize Israel entirely?

[TlsMS93]

Ridiculous, first they claim one thing, hang people in Nuremberg based on it and then they say it was all a lie just to delegitimize a State that they themselves were the first to recognize?

I repeat, creating narratives of atrocity against the defeated enemy is human nature, but we live in the age of rationality and not of what is most convenient. Individuals should not surrender to mere testimonies and a set of paperwork disconnected from an ad hoc trial, made by unscrupulous States that have committed even more barbaric crimes.

[Numar Patru]

I’m afraid you don’t know what you’re talking about. Thinking that the USSR did anything during WWII primarily for the benefit of Jews is to just be cosmically wrong

[Nessie]

Ridiculous, first they claim one thing, hang people in Nuremberg based on it and then they say it was all a lie just to delegitimize a State that they themselves were the first to recognize?

I repeat, creating narratives of atrocity against the defeated enemy is human nature, but we live in the age of rationality and not of what is most convenient. Individuals should not surrender to mere testimonies and a set of paperwork disconnected from an ad hoc trial, made by unscrupulous States that have committed even more barbaric crimes.

Bear in mind that in 1945 it was blindingly obvious that every occupied and Nazi aligned country (except Denmark and Finland), was missing large numbers of its Jewish citizens, arrested by the Nazis and never seen again, with survivor and Nazis reporting they had been murdered and reports from Poland of camp site excavations finding huge areas of buried cremated remains.

Denmark and Finland could prove where their Jewish citizens were in 1945. The Danes were in Sweden and the Fins still in Finland. There were other groups of survivors, such as the Jews of Budapest and many French Jews. We know that because of the evidence they were still alive.

Instead of evidencing millions of Jews still alive in the East, you postulate about conspiracies and how we should be rational. Rationality is following the evidence.

[TlsMS93]

Ridiculous, first they claim one thing, hang people in Nuremberg based on it and then they say it was all a lie just to delegitimize a State that they themselves were the first to recognize?

I repeat, creating narratives of atrocity against the defeated enemy is human nature, but we live in the age of rationality and not of what is most convenient. Individuals should not surrender to mere testimonies and a set of paperwork disconnected from an ad hoc trial, made by unscrupulous States that have committed even more barbaric crimes.

Bear in mind that in 1945 it was blindingly obvious that every occupied and Nazi aligned country (except Denmark and Finland), was missing large numbers of its Jewish citizens, arrested by the Nazis and never seen again, with survivor and Nazis reporting they had been murdered and reports from Poland of camp site excavations finding huge areas of buried cremated remains.

Denmark and Finland could prove where their Jewish citizens were in 1945. The Danes were in Sweden and the Fins still in Finland. There were other groups of survivors, such as the Jews of Budapest and many French Jews. We know that because of the evidence they were still alive.

Instead of evidencing millions of Jews still alive in the East, you postulate about conspiracies and how we should be rational. Rationality is following the evidence.

Bring me the reliable accounting of the wood, the amount of ashes that 1.7 million bodies would leave, the renovations of the muffle furnaces in Birkenau, not one but five of them, the paperwork for the delivery of coke to support 1 million cremations in AB, and then I'll capitulate.

[Nessie]

Ridiculous, first they claim one thing, hang people in Nuremberg based on it and then they say it was all a lie just to delegitimize a State that they themselves were the first to recognize?

I repeat, creating narratives of atrocity against the defeated enemy is human nature, but we live in the age of rationality and not of what is most convenient. Individuals should not surrender to mere testimonies and a set of paperwork disconnected from an ad hoc trial, made by unscrupulous States that have committed even more barbaric crimes.

Bear in mind that in 1945 it was blindingly obvious that every occupied and Nazi aligned country (except Denmark and Finland), was missing large numbers of its Jewish citizens, arrested by the Nazis and never seen again, with survivor and Nazis reporting they had been murdered and reports from Poland of camp site excavations finding huge areas of buried cremated remains.

Denmark and Finland could prove where their Jewish citizens were in 1945. The Danes were in Sweden and the Fins still in Finland. There were other groups of survivors, such as the Jews of Budapest and many French Jews. We know that because of the evidence they were still alive.

Instead of evidencing millions of Jews still alive in the East, you postulate about conspiracies and how we should be rational. Rationality is following the evidence.

Bring me the reliable accounting of the wood, the amount of ashes that 1.7 million bodies would leave, the renovations of the muffle furnaces in Birkenau, not one but five of them, the paperwork for the delivery of coke to support 1 million cremations in AB, and then I'll capitulate.

That is off topic. There are other threads to discuss wood & coke deliveries etc. In this topic you explain why you cannot evidence millions of Jews still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944, which is far more harmful to your beliefs than me not being able to show you paperwork for coke deliveries, is to mine.

[Stubble]

The jews went east. Hell, some of them were sent to work on rail lines and communications during barbarossa and issued black clothes and green armbands.

/shrug

Someone should have picked another jew to shout down David Cole about their dead family member so there could have been another reunion.

Maybe the jewish community could have done this 6,000,000 times...

[Nessie]

The jews went east. Hell, some of them were sent to work on rail lines and communications during barbarossa and issued black clothes and green armbands.

/shrug

Someone should have picked another jew to shout down David Cole about their dead family member so there could have been another reunion.

Maybe the jewish community could have done this 6,000,000 times...

It is that kind of flippant answer, along with Hannover's "they went where they went" that proves revisionism, or Holocaust denial, is not a genuine investigation.

[borjastick]

The jews went east. Hell, some of them were sent to work on rail lines and communications during barbarossa and issued black clothes and green armbands.

/shrug

Someone should have picked another jew to shout down David Cole about their dead family member so there could have been another reunion.

Maybe the jewish community could have done this 6,000,000 times...

It is that kind of flippant answer, along with Hannover's "they went where they went" that proves revisionism, or Holocaust denial, is not a genuine investigation.

Revisionism is genuine and in good faith. The problem with you and your type is you hate facts and cannot understand why somethings are just the way they are. You hate the truth because it would wreck your new world order and view of things from an israeli POV. Jews are where they went and that's the truth of it. The fact that you cannot deal with logic or add up and don't like anyone else who has a differing opinion to you is your problem and not mine mate.

Anti semitism is anything or any one a jew doesn't like.

[bombsaway]

The jews went east. Hell, some of them were sent to work on rail lines and communications during barbarossa and issued black clothes and green armbands.

/shrug

Someone should have picked another jew to shout down David Cole about their dead family member so there could have been another reunion.

Maybe the jewish community could have done this 6,000,000 times...

It is that kind of flippant answer, along with Hannover's "they went where they went" that proves revisionism, or Holocaust denial, is not a genuine investigation.

Revisionism is genuine and in good faith. The problem with you and your type is you hate facts and cannot understand why somethings are just the way they are. You hate the truth because it would wreck your new world order and view of things from an israeli POV. Jews are where they went and that's the truth of it. The fact that you cannot deal with logic or add up and don't like anyone else who has a differing opinion to you is your problem and not mine mate.

Anti semitism is anything or any one a jew doesn't like.

"Jews are where they went"

You're still asserting historical events here, both a mass resettlement and corresponding vast conspiracy involving perhaps millions of people (since there's no evidence).

Why not believe the Jews were executed upon arrival in the east? There's actually evidence of this, into 1942. No evidence of resettlement on any scale.