If Hermann Göring (!!!) said he didn't know about it (and moreover that he believed Hitler did not know), something just isn't adding up there.
I see three possibilities:
1) Göring did not know about it because the extermination program was accomplished with astonishing secrecy.
2) Göring actually did know about it and lied about not knowing.
3) Finally, we have the possibility that Göring did not know about it because the [core allegation of the] ‘holocaust’ [narrative] is fake.
Regarding #1:
Göring was a "top Nazi" by any definition and he was the one who tasked Heydrich with implementing a "final solution to the Jewish question." How then can we seriously entertain the notion that he wouldn't know?
Even with many of the lesser names, I would argue for many of them as well it is not realistic to think they wouldn't know. Hans Lammers I think is a good example. He had a high position with access to Hitler. He knew many sensitive things (the euthanasia program for instance). He was invited to conferences on the JQ. And so on.
DR. THOMA: I have only one more question. Did you know anything regarding the fact that Hitler had decided to solve the Jewish question by ‘the final solution’, that is, by the annihilation of the Jews?
LAMMERS: Yes, I know a great deal about that. The ‘final solution of the Jewish question’ became known to me for the first time, in 1942. That is when I heard that the Führer supposedly, through Göring, had given an order to the SS Obergruppenführer Heydrich to achieve a solution of the Jewish question. I did not know the exact contents of that order and consequently, since this did not come within my jurisdiction, at the beginning I took a negative attitude, but then as I wanted to know something I, of course, had to contact Himmler. I asked him what was really meant by the idea of ‘the final solution of the Jewish question’. Himmler replied that he had received the order from the Führer to bring about ‘the final solution of the Jewish problem’ — or rather Heydrich and his successor had that order — and that the main point of the order was that the Jews were to be evacuated from Germany. With that statement I was satisfied for the time and waited for further developments, since I assumed that I would now in some way — I really had no jurisdiction here — I would obtain some information from Heydrich or his successor, Kaltenbrunner.
Since nothing did come I wanted to inform myself about this, and back in 1942 I announced a report to the Führer, whereupon the Führer told me that it was true that he had given Himmler the order for evacuation but that he did not want any further discussion about this Jewish question during the war. In the meantime or shortly afterwards — this was already at the beginning of 1943 — the RSHA sent out invitations to attend a meeting on the subject, "Final Solution of the Jewish question." I had previously sent out an order to my officials that I was not defining my attitude to this matter, since I wanted to present it to the Führer. I merely ordered that, if invitations to a meeting were sent out, one of my officials should attend as a so-called "listening post."
QUESTION: But, Witness, please be quite brief. I am now putting this question to you: Did Himmler ever tell you that ‘the final solution of the Jewish problem’ would take place through the extermination of the Jews?
LAMMERS: That was never mentioned. He talked only about evacuation.
DR. THOMA: He talked only about evacuation?
LAMMERS: Yes, only about evacuation.
DR. THOMA: When did you hear that these 5 million Jews had been exterminated?
LAMMERS: I heard of that here a while ago.
DR. THOMA: In other words the matter was completely secret and only very few persons knew of it?
LAMMERS: I assume that Himmler arranged it so that no one learned anything about it and that he formed his Kommandos in such a way that nobody knew anything about them. Of course, there must be a large number of people who must have known something about it.
MAJOR JONES: Are you, as the head of the Reich Chancellery, the man who knew all the secrets of the Third Reich, saying to this Tribunal that you had no knowledge of the murder of millions and millions who were murdered under the Nazi regime?
LAMMERS: I mean to say that I knew nothing about it until the moment of the collapse, that is, the end of April 1945 or the beginning of May, when I heard such reports from foreign broadcasting stations. I did not believe them at the time, and only later on I found further material here, in the newspapers. If we are speaking now of the elimination of a harmful influence that is far from meaning annihilation. The Führer did not say a word about murder; no mention was ever made of such a plan.
QUESTION: On the question of the massacre of the Jewish people, you said in your evidence before the adjournment that you had saved 200,000 Jews yourself. Do you remember saying that to the Tribunal?
LAMMERS: Yes.
MAJOR JONES: You you meant you saved them from extermination, I take it?
LAMMERS: No. I merely saved them from evacuation and nothing else. I found out afterwards, of course — now — that in actual fact I really did save them from death. You have.. .
MAJOR JONES: You know you have testified — just a moment, you have testified to the Tribunal regarding a conference which took place early in 1943 where you were invited by the Reichssicherheitshauptamt to send a representative to the conference dealing with the Jewish problem. Do you remember saying that to the Tribunal?
LAMMERS: Yes, the matter was discussed. It was a conference of experts.
MAJOR JONES: That was the famous conference which Eichmann presided over, do you remember?
LAMMERS: That I do not know. I did not attend it myself; I merely sent a subordinate.
Testimony of Josef Bühler, State Secretary under Hans Frank, attendee of the Wannsee Conference
BÜHLER: The Reichsführer SS [Himmler] so he said, had received an order from the Führer to round up all the Jews of Europe and to settle them in the Northeast of Europe, in Russia. I asked him whether this meant that the further arrival of Jews in the Government General [Poland] would cease, and whether the hundreds of thousands of Jews who had been brought into the Government General without the permission of the Governor General would be moved out again. Heydrich promised me both these things. Heydrich said furthermore that the Führer had given an order that Theresienstadt, a town in the Protectorate, would become a reservation in which old and sick Jews, and weak Jews who could not stand the strains of resettlement, were to be accommodated in the future.
DR. SEIDL: What concentration camps in the Government General did you know about during your activity as State Secretary?
BÜHLER: The publications in the press during the summer of 1944 called my attention to the Maidanek camp for the first time: I did not know that this camp, not far from Lublin, was a concentration camp.
With regard to the events inside the camp, no concrete information ever reached the outside. It surprised the Governor General just as much as it surprised me when the world press released the news about Maidanek.
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If we want to commit to this "extreme secrecy" thesis #1, we end up being forced to argue that there was virtually no formal organization or planning behind this extermination program. To the point where even someone attending a conference on "the final solution" could come away without realizing what was going on.
This pushes us toward thesis #2.
Thesis #2 concludes Göring, Lammers, Bühler et al were simply lying.
But I would argue against this conclusion for a few reasons!
1) In many cases, the documents back them up. If we look at the Göring decree to Heydrich or the Luther memo or the Wannsee Conference minutes, we do not find an explicit extermination policy; rather we see an intention of banishing the Jews from Europe.
2) Captain Gustave Gilbert, the Jewish psychologist at Nuremberg, confirms this with his behind-the-scenes accounts that it took a lot of effort to convince the defendants of there being a policy to exterminate the entire jewish population. According to Gilbert, Göring was totally dismissive of the claims and argued that killing so many people was "not technically possible." It was only gradually that Gilbert was able to get him to believe that Himmler may have been doing atrocities at Auschwitz and elsewhere behind Hitler's back. And Gilbert is explicit that the things that were most convincing to those in the dock were the concentration camp films and the confession of Höß.
ROSENBERG: "Of course, it's terrible — incomprehensible, the whole business. I would never have dreamed it would take such a turn. I don't know. Terrible! On a scale like that, Hitler must have given the orders, or Himmler did it with the Führer's approval."
SAUCKEL: "We are of different opinions as to whether Hitler knew about those things. I just don't know. But there is no doubt that Himmler did those things, and they cannot possibly be justified. I just can't get it through my head how those things were possible."
GÖRING (who was not very persuaded by the concentration camp film): "Those atrocity films! Anybody can make an atrocity film if they take corpses out of their graves and then show a tractor shoving them back in again."
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So then what we have here is a Jew doing a psy-op on the defendants and using fraudulent evidence to convince them that millions of people were killed at the concentration camps. And this fits perfectly with what most of them said on the stand, that they are horrified by what Himmler did in the camps but had no idea about it until after the war.
~ Gibson
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