Is the demonization of Hitler as we see even warranted at all?

[HansHill]

The 'Hitler snubbed Jesse Owens' play, really?

No, Hitler didn't 'refuse to shake his hand'. He also talked to him after the games, and, for the rest of his life Jesse Owens had a portrait of Adolf Hitler on his mantle.

https://codoh.com/library/document/jess ... d-reality/

Was Adolf Hitler a race realist? Yes. Is bone marrow heavy and are fast twitch and slow twitch muscle distributions different in White persons and Black persons? Also yes.

Race realism and 'racism' as it has come to be defined, are different. Nature has blessed the different races with different traits to assist in their survival.

Of course Mr Stubble is completely correct here, but it shouldn't even matter. If race realism gets debunked tomorrow (which it won't but lets say it did), that still wouldn't have any impact on the merits of a man's opinions 100 years prior, especially in the context of everyone else having those same opinions.

This is such lunacy. The bar you have set for Adolf Hitler to escape your demonisation, is that he must hold 2025-era race egalitarian views? Such utter garbage.

I challenged Frye earlier in the thread to write a competing speech, to sort of "roleplay" as a competing politician in 1920s Germany, and to rattle off as much 2025 Liberalism as he wanted to "own" Adolf Hitler. Offer to send scarce resources to the other side of the planet for the benefit of racial strangers, import those same racial strangers to the interior of the Reich and cede territory to them, deny German voters an ethnic homeland for themselves, go nuts - be as Liberal as you want. And I will judge which speech is more compelling to a German voter in the 1920s.

Of course this challenge was not undertaken because I will expose that speech with the luminosity of a thousand suns!

[Stubble]

Food for thought;

https://odysee.com/@Lebensraum:6/JesseO ... 2146_568:d

/shrug

[InuYasha]

The 'Hitler snubbed Jesse Owens' play, really?

No, Hitler didn't 'refuse to shake his hand'. He also talked to him after the games, and, for the rest of his life Jesse Owens had a portrait of Adolf Hitler on his mantle.

https://codoh.com/library/document/jess ... d-reality/

Was Adolf Hitler a race realist? Yes. Is bone marrow heavy and are fast twitch and slow twitch muscle distributions different in White persons and Black persons? Also yes.

Race realism and 'racism' as it has come to be defined, are different. Nature has blessed the different races with different traits to assist in their survival.

Very interesting information. It turns out that Owens was much more hurt by the American government, and felt less oppressed in National Socialist Germany in 1936 than in Democratic America. So another popular narrative turned out to be a lie. I hope AH really congratulated him.

In the 1930s, racism was almost universal. Not only as a scientific racial theory, but also as racial hatred between whites and blacks.

Surprisingly, America of this period was much more dismissive of its black athletes (and citizens in general) than Germany, which is considered the "Number One Evil" in human history.

[InuYasha]

The 'Hitler snubbed Jesse Owens' play, really?

No, Hitler didn't 'refuse to shake his hand'. He also talked to him after the games, and, for the rest of his life Jesse Owens had a portrait of Adolf Hitler on his mantle.

https://codoh.com/library/document/jess ... d-reality/

Was Adolf Hitler a race realist? Yes. Is bone marrow heavy and are fast twitch and slow twitch muscle distributions different in White persons and Black persons? Also yes.

Race realism and 'racism' as it has come to be defined, are different. Nature has blessed the different races with different traits to assist in their survival.

Of course Mr Stubble is completely correct here, but it shouldn't even matter. If race realism gets debunked tomorrow (which it won't but lets say it did), that still wouldn't have any impact on the merits of a man's opinions 100 years prior, especially in the context of everyone else having those same opinions.

This is such lunacy. The bar you have set for Adolf Hitler to escape your demonisation, is that he must hold 2025-era race egalitarian views? Such utter garbage.

I challenged Frye earlier in the thread to write a competing speech, to sort of "roleplay" as a competing politician in 1920s Germany, and to rattle off as much 2025 Liberalism as he wanted to "own" Adolf Hitler. Offer to send scarce resources to the other side of the planet for the benefit of racial strangers, import those same racial strangers to the interior of the Reich and cede territory to them, deny German voters an ethnic homeland for themselves, go nuts - be as Liberal as you want. And I will judge which speech is more compelling to a German voter in the 1920s.

Of course this challenge was not undertaken because I will expose that speech with the luminosity of a thousand suns!

I don't think everyone was a racist during Hitler's political career. I certainly wouldn't be a racist if I lived in the 1930s, because even in 2025 I share certain beliefs that were ahead of our time and for which society is not ready.

Yes, society was not ready for racial acceptance 100 years ago, and it would be strange to think that everyone back then should have thought like they do now. Hitler simply, as his accusers claim, took racism and hatred to an extreme level. The culmination of this was the alleged Holocaust. Although I have found one person, a proponent of the recolonization of Africa and Asia by white people, arguing that the real reason for Hitler's unique demonization was not racism, anti-Semitism, or the Holocaust. The real reason was...

Spoiler

The Führerprinciple. Yes, the Hitler government introduced it into the country's political practice, which was perceived by the surrounding countries as Asianism, something unbecoming of a civilized country. This caused a unique rejection. Germany was also a country in which nationalism was based on blood and ethnic origin, and the Allied countries (France, England, America) based their nationalism on citizenship and culture. This was also a contradiction, and civic nationalism won over ethnonationalism in 1945.

[Stubble]

That's quite the pivot with a failure to address your earlier misstatement about Hitler and Owens.

You do understand that your assessment of that affair was incorrect, do you not?

So far as Hitler's 'racism', he was an ethno nationalist. He believed each people should have their state, free and sovereign, in which they could live in dignity and respect.

Edit; my apologies, I see that you did make a post about your misstatement.

[InuYasha]

That's quite the pivot with a failure to address your earlier misstatement about Hitler and Owens.

You do understand that your assessment of that affair was incorrect, do you not?

So far as Hitler's 'racism', he was an ethno nationalist. He believed each people should have their state, free and sovereign, in which they could live in dignity and respect.

Yes, that was definitely a misconception. In that case, to Owens' credit, he did not distort his experiences and memories to suit the anti-German narrative. But who benefited from pushing this story, that it almost became "ingrained" in the mass consciousness?

If, as you claim, Hitler believed that "each people should have their state, free and sovereign, in which they could live in dignity and respect", then why is he considered "the number one evil", or almost the Devil? There is nothing wrong with this idea.

Ethnonationalism lost to civic nationalism on May 23, 1945, with the arrest of the last National Socialist government in German history. The führer-state lost the fight to parliamentary democracy based on universal suffrage, representation and freedom of speech.

When the Romans destroyed Carthage in 146 BC, they made it into an absolute evil, the Carthaginians were presented as a savage and brutal people who sacrificed humans to their gods. When war was so brutal, the losing side is an absolute evil in the eyes of the winner, and vice versa.

On this topic, I cautiously ask myself, "Isn't the demonization of the Nazis have the same nature as the demonization of the Punics by the Romans?" The Allies won, the Third Reich was destroyed and occupied. When you defeat an enemy, you can make up any narrative about him. The enemy is destroyed, so who on his side will dispute it?

If the Axis had won, the Allies would have been accused of instigating the war, refusing all peace initiatives, attacking civilians and peaceful cities (including nuclear strikes), torturing prisoners of war and sending their own German and Japanese citizens to concentration camps. But what happened, happened.

Vae Victis!

[Stubble]

The pits of sacrificed children in Carthage rather rebut the idea that they were historically framed by the Romans.

That whole mess merits it's own thread.

Sympathetic academia and media framed the National Socialist government of Germany as absolute evil with the 'noble lie' in mind.

The 'holocaust' is a linchpin of the character assassination of National Socialist Germany. This is important because Ethnic Nationalism is at odds with Blank Slate Collectivism, cosmopolitanism and 1 world government (edicts prescribed in the talmud outlined in 'jewsih utopia' by higger and the revelation in the new testament).

If there are Ethno States for the peoples of the world, the danger of a 1 world government is radically reduced as those people have a shared culture, morality and state.

To tear down a great empire, first you must destroy its homogeneity through miscegenation. You must tear down national identity and culture. You must have a nation that is diverse in language, culture and ethics. That makes the 'democracy' much easier to control. This is 'divide and rule'.

Ethnic Nationalism is the biggest threat to world domination that there is. It doesn't matter if the vehicle for that global one world government is a council of wise men (Soviet) in Moscow or in Jerusalem, the threat is the same.

[InuYasha]

The pits of sacrificed children in Carthage rather rebut the idea that they were historically framed by the Romans.

That whole mess merits it's own thread.

Sympathy academia and media framed the National Socialist government of Germany as absolute evil with the 'noble lie' in mind.

The 'holocaust' is a linchpin of the character assassination of National Socialist Germany. This is important because Ethnic Nationalism is at odds with Blank Slate Collectivism, cosmopolitanism and 1 world government (edicts prescribed in the talmud outlined in 'jewsih utopia' by higger and the revelation in the new testament).

If there are Ethno States for the peoples of the world, the danger of a 1 world government is radically reduced as those people have a shared culture, morality and state.

To tear down a great empire, first you must destroy its homogeneity through miscegenation. You must tear down national identity and culture. You must have a nation that is diverse in language, culture and ethics. That makes the 'democracy' much easier to control. This is 'divide and rule'.

Ethnic Nationalism is the biggest threat to world domination that there is. It doesn't matter if the vehicle for that global one world government is a council of wise men (Soviet) in Moscow or in Jerusalem, the threat is the same.

There is no global Jewish conspiracy. This is a gross exaggeration. It is a fact that there are Jews in the elite of various countries. This is not the result of "conspiracy" or "malicious intent".

Besides, if every nation has the right to its own ethnic state, then the Jewish people have it too. We must be consistent in demanding self-determination of nations.

Ethnic nationalism ended in May 1945. And even if it were to miraculously revive, it would at best be an obstacle to racial and ethnic mixing within independent separate states.

Democracy is not a way of dividing states and ethnic mixing. It is a form of government that, although imperfect, is better than all other forms of government in terms of representing the interests of all citizens of the country.

Moreover, ethnic mixing within Europe does not even make sense for Jews - in the worst case scenario, it would lead to the Islamization of Europe, which would mean that the European continent would turn against Israel. This policy, if promoted by Jews, would be like shooting yourself in the foot. There have already been anti-Jewish pogroms in the EU, perpetrated by migrants.

[HansHill]

Ethnonationalism lost to civic nationalism on May 23, 1945, with the arrest of the last National Socialist government in German history. The führer-state lost the fight to parliamentary democracy based on universal suffrage, representation and freedom of speech.

Like hell it did. The Third Reich was destroyed by bombs, manpower, armaments and military might of three global empires overrunning it in unison. Think for a moment here. You as a proponent of Liberal Democracy, would never say "democracy failed because the United States got spanked by the Viet Cong". What a preposterous thing to say, only a fool would suggest the merits of a political system are determined by the outcome of war - and you are clearly not a fool.

But what happened, happened.

Some people say "might makes right", but whats much more accurate is "might makes what is". The Allies winning doesn't make them right - they weren't even "right" amongst themselves as the Berlin Blockade demonstrated, this was two (or three) extremely different worldviews in direct contradiction to each other.

[Stubble]

The global kike conspiracy merits it's own thread.

That jews seek to dominate the world and administer 'the law' of the world from a council of wise men in a 'supreme court' as stated in their religious texts should be no surprise.

Of course, this isn't the only world domination conspiracy, but, it is one of them certainly.

I encourage you to read 'jewish utopia' by higger right next to 'the revelation'. I also encourage you to consider the occult side of the United Nations.

I also encourage you to look at the fruit of efforts to mint a one world government, the tactics and strategies employed.

[HansHill]

The global kike conspiracy merits it's own thread.

I've actually been meaning to start a thread: "A Primer On The Kevin MacDonald Trilogy" - I have a lot of notes on this. Remind me when I inevitably forget!

[Wahrheitssucher]

Sympathy academia and media framed the National Socialist government of Germany as absolute evil with the 'noble lie' in mind.
The 'holocaust' is a linchpin of the character assassination of National Socialist Germany.

This is important because Ethnic Nationalism is at odds with Blank Slate Collectivism, cosmopolitanism and 1 world government (edicts prescribed in the talmud outlined in 'jewsih utopia' by higger and the revelation in the new testament).

If there are Ethno States for the peoples of the world, the danger of a 1 world government is radically reduced as those people have a shared culture, morality and state.

…Ethnic Nationalism is the biggest threat to world domination that there is. It doesn't matter if the vehicle for that global one world government is a council of wise men (Soviet) in Moscow or in Jerusalem, the threat is the same.

There is no global Jewish conspiracy…

Besides, if every nation has the right to its own ethnic state, then the Jewish people have it too. We must be consistent in demanding self-determination of nations.

…Moreover, ethnic mixing within Europe does not even make sense for Jews - in the worst case scenario, it would lead to the Islamization of Europe, which would mean that the European continent would turn against Israel. This policy, if promoted by Jews, would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

Do you yourself perchance self-identify as ‘jewish’?

[HansHill]

While nobody enjoys a pol infographic more than me, we should probably keep this thread to Adolf Hitler, his demonisation, and the reasons why this is merited or not! FWIW Inuyasha doesn't strike me as Jewish, but rather a progressive on the somewhat extreme end, and acknowledges the holocaust is fake / exaggerated.

Its also possible he is very young, and the old grizzled bastard you see before you in Hans Hill didn't always believe in the JQ either, so there is that.

[Wahrheitssucher]

While nobody enjoys a pol infographic more than me, we should probably keep this thread to Adolf Hitler, his demonisation, and the reasons why this is merited or not! FWIW Inuyasha doesn't strike me as Jewish, but rather a progressive on the somewhat extreme end, and acknowledges the holocaust is fake / exaggerated.

Its also possible he is very young, and the old grizzled bastard you see before you in Hans Hill didn't always believe in the JQ either, so there is that.

Fair point. I just noticed that Inuyasha often subtly inserts zionist propaganda as if it were self-evidently true. E.g. the false ‘news’ claiming Putin has imperialistic, world-conquest aims (he doesn’t).
Inuyasha’s assertion that there is definitely no conspiracy or plan by cliques of powerful people connected by their mutual self-identification as jews, to create a one world government, etc., (no-one can be certain of that PLUS there is considerable evidence which can be interpreted that way).

So… back to Herr Hitler… in my view the ‘demonisation’ of anyone is unhelpful and so unwarranted.

“When we dehumanise and demonise our opponents,
we abandon the possibility of peacefully resolving our differences”
~ Nelson Mandela

In terms of immoral actions, racism and mass-murder I would argue that Adolf is obviously much less an object of censure than the leaders of the Allies, viz. Stalin, Churchill and Truman.
Stalin was by far the greater tyrant, mass-murderer and psychopath.
Churchill comes a close second being a self-confessed lover of war, a self-confessed white supremacist who approved of genocide for “superior” white man lebensraum, plus was a high-functioning alcoholic and a pawn of wealthy Jewish bankers in America.
Truman committed the two worst acts of terrorism and mass-murder in the known history of the human race, viz. the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

[InuYasha]

Like hell it did. The Third Reich was destroyed by bombs, manpower, armaments and military might of three global empires overrunning it in unison. Think for a moment here. You as a proponent of Liberal Democracy, would never say "democracy failed because the United States got spanked by the Viet Cong". What a preposterous thing to say, only a fool would suggest the merits of a political system are determined by the outcome of war - and you are clearly not a fool.

I understand, of course, that the "victory of democracy over Nazism" was the result of the Allies' military superiority over the Axis. If Germany had been as powerful as the Allies, it would have won. But it wasn't. Moral superiority, after all, does not guarantee victory.

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but if I assume that you are right-wing, and perhaps even NS, then for you the defeat of the Third Reich is as tragic as the defeat of democratic countries at the hands of the Nazis would be for me.

As for the victory of the Viet Cong in 1975, it was certainly a tragedy for the Vietnamese people. Millions of "boat people" and victims of the Red concentration camps will not let you lie.

This is not the end of democracy, but only the result of unsuccessful policies and wrong decisions, which can be listed for a long time (F.B. Davidson described the situation well in his book).

Some people say "might makes right", but whats much more accurate is "might makes what is". The Allies winning doesn't make them right - they weren't even "right" amongst themselves as the Berlin Blockade demonstrated, this was two (or three) extremely different worldviews in direct contradiction to each other.

In the same way, Germany was let down by unsuccessful political decisions and inequality of power (America, England and Russia were stronger separately, but they were together).

Democracy is better than Nazism, because under it people have freedom of speech, inalienable rights, the government is accountable to the people and the state is based on the rule of law. The victory of democracy in this case refers to the fact that the country that won the most was democratic. The USSR won, but at the cost of terrible losses, and collapsed 46 years after the war. BE did not survive even 20.