The Korherr Report

[Nessie]

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You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?

I'm trying to work out of Nessie really is this stupid or is maybe autistic or similar. FFS shut up and listen once in a while. The old 'if they weren't killed where did they go' is a monumentally stupid proposition.

I might give this codoh site a wide berth if this situation isn't improved. I fail to see what added value these fuckwits bring. You get to a point in life when the level of cuntism one is prepared to let inside the room becomes remarkably small...

The Korherr Report discusses camp and ghetto populations and suggests mass resettlement, 1939 to 1943, which would logically mean, in 1944, millions of Jews would be in camps and ghettos. Why is discussing evidence of what the 1944 population was, "stupid"? It directly follows on from his report.

[joshk246]

We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.



You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?

Nessie, this is demonstrably false. Many instances of EE Jewish immigration which wasn't tracked.

"Iran’s Jewish population numbered 40,000; by 1970, 60,581 Jews had left Persia for Israel, and yet, in 1971, there were still 80,000 Jews in Persia. A natural increase of this size is unthinkable, leaving only one logical conclusion: They must have entered Persia between 1939 and the end of the war, coming from eastern Europe and the Balkans. The Soviet Union, Great Britain and the United States violated Iran’s proclaimed neutrality by force of arms and occupied that country against its will in World War Two. Persia was powerless to stop the immigration of Jews who had escaped from the German sphere of influence but whom no country wanted to accept."

The other conclusion is that the 1970 estimate was wrong.

The Nazis knew by 1944, they were being accused of mass murder. It would have been in their interests to counter those allegations with evidence of millions of Jews in camps and ghettos. Why did no such evidence ever appear?

Where’s your proof the 1970 estimate was inaccurate?

Honestly all I’m hearing is “an absence of evidence is evidence”, I’m not doing this appealing to ignorance.

[TlsMS93]

It is much easier to spread Jews across that immense occupied Soviet territory with 2 million Jews who would not even have two houses per square kilometer. To say that they would leave behind a lot of evidence is ridiculous. What immense evidence is there that these same millions were on small acres of land in 5 fields in eastern Poland? You may think that 2 million is a lot of people, but it is not. In the last century, Maracanã could hold 200,000 people. We would be talking about 10 stadiums like that.

[bombsaway]

It is much easier to spread Jews across that immense occupied Soviet territory with 2 million Jews who would not even have two houses per square kilometer. To say that they would leave behind a lot of evidence is ridiculous. What immense evidence is there that these same millions were on small acres of land in 5 fields in eastern Poland? You may think that 2 million is a lot of people, but it is not. In the last century, Maracanã could hold 200,000 people. We would be talking about 10 stadiums like that.

There is an immense amount of evidence in pre-war period that Jews lived in Poland, France, in rural areas, urban areas, wherever. Anyway, are you saying these people were just let off the trains in Russian territory and dispersed on their own account?

[TlsMS93]

There is an immense amount of evidence in pre-war period that Jews lived in Poland, France, in rural areas, urban areas, wherever. Anyway, are you saying these people were just let off the trains in Russian territory and dispersed on their own account?

We would be talking about people like women, children and the elderly, that is, those who are unfit for work. If they were left to their own devices, that would be quite cruel and without the assistance they were entitled to under the laws of war, a crime, but it does not constitute extermination. Now, if they were unable to survive until the Soviets retook the territories, that would be strange too. Now, if the Soviets relocated them as they always did, how would we know? Or were they known for the transparency of their actions?

[bombsaway]

There is an immense amount of evidence in pre-war period that Jews lived in Poland, France, in rural areas, urban areas, wherever. Anyway, are you saying these people were just let off the trains in Russian territory and dispersed on their own account?

We would be talking about people like women, children and the elderly, that is, those who are unfit for work. If they were left to their own devices, that would be quite cruel and without the assistance they were entitled to under the laws of war, a crime, but it does not constitute extermination. Now, if they were unable to survive until the Soviets retook the territories, that would be strange too. Now, if the Soviets relocated them as they always did, how would we know? Or were they known for the transparency of their actions?

If they survived they would have told stories about it, especially the children, who would be in their 40s in the 1970s when masse emigration of Jews began and in their 60s when the USSR fell.

But your position here, that they were "left to their own devices" is ridiculous considering the evidence shows a policy of children and elderly being killed because of the security threat they apparently posed

Kube, Governor of Belarus:

Owing to encroachment by the Army Rear Zone (Command), which has already been reported, there was interference with the preparations we had made for the liquidation of the Jews in Glebokie. Without contacting me, the Army Rear Zone Command liquidated 10,000 Jews, whose systematic elimination had in any case been planned by us. In the city of Minsk about 10,000 Jews were liquidated on July 28 and 29. Of these 6,500 were Russian Jews mainly old men, women and children and the rest Jews incapable of work, who were sent to Minsk in November of last year by order of the Fuehrer, mainly from Vienna, Bruenn, Bremen and Berlin.

The District of Sluzk has also been relieved of several thousand Jews. The same applies to Nowogrodek and Wilejka. Radical measures are planned for Baranowitschi and Hanzewitschi. In Baranowitschi there are still another 10,000 Jews in the city itself, of whom 9,000 will be liquidated next month.

In the city of Minsk about 2,600 Jews from Germany have remained. In addition all of the 6,000 Russian Jews and Jewesses remained alive who were employed during the Aktion by various units [of the Wehrmacht]. In future, too, Minsk will remain the largest Jewish element owing to the concentration of armament industries in the area and as the requirements of the railroad make this necessary for the time being. In all other areas the number of Jews used for work will be reduced by the SD and myself to a maximum of 800, and, if possible, 500, so that when the remaining planned Aktionen have been completed there will be 8,600 in Minsk and about 7,000 Jews in the 10 other districts, including the Jew-free Minsk District. There will then be no further danger that the partisans can still rely to any real extent on Jewry.

These were ghettoized Jews and they were viewed as so much of a security threat that they were still killed. The revisionist position about what happened in the USSR (some vague notion of a non-extermination policy) is blatantly refuted, contradicted, many many times over.

[TlsMS93]

Goebbels in his diary entries mentions partisan activity in the East

March 16, 1942

“I read an SD report on the situation in the occupied East. Partisan activity has increased noticeably in recent weeks. They are conducting a well-organized partisan war. It is very difficult to hit them because they are using terrorist methods in the area we have occupied, so that the population is afraid to continue to work loyally with us. The leaders of all this partisan activity are the political commissars and especially the Jews. Therefore it has proved necessary once again to shoot more Jews. There will be no peace in these areas as long as Jews are still active there.”

Why not say that everyone must die regardless of whether they are active or not?

If the Nazis were executing children related to these guerrillas, it does not seem as absurd to me as the Jewish myth itself maintains of their deeds, with Jews today even arguing that the order was to kill infants for fear that in the future they would want to take revenge on their relatives.

[bombsaway]

Goebbels in his diary entries mentions partisan activity in the East

March 16, 1942

“I read an SD report on the situation in the occupied East. Partisan activity has increased noticeably in recent weeks. They are conducting a well-organized partisan war. It is very difficult to hit them because they are using terrorist methods in the area we have occupied, so that the population is afraid to continue to work loyally with us. The leaders of all this partisan activity are the political commissars and especially the Jews. Therefore it has proved necessary once again to shoot more Jews. There will be no peace in these areas as long as Jews are still active there.”

Why not say that everyone must die regardless of whether they are active or not?

If the Nazis were executing children related to these guerrillas, it does not seem as absurd to me as the Jewish myth itself maintains of their deeds, with Jews today even arguing that the order was to kill infants for fear that in the future they would want to take revenge on their relatives.

If they're killing ghettoized children and elderly Jews for anti partisan purposes it doesn't make sense that they would leave this same cohort "to their own devices" as you said, meaning simply let off the trains without being interned anywhere.

You need a better story than this.