Where Myths Meet Their Demise
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Because I was referring to you as part of a group. That group is so-called revisionists, who cannot revise, because they bring no evidence to the debate. In this case, no archaeological evidence to prove the ground in the southern end of TII is largely undisturbed.
So the concentration camps of the American Civil War were also extermination camps, but no one claims that. In the case of Treblinka, what we have is a clandestine narrative that subsequently created this image in certain camps. What idiocy: the first gas chambers at Treblinka II were unfit for service, because those at Belzec and Sobibor were supposedly more than enough to purge the General Government in a matter of months.Nessie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:34 pm
If archaeologists found large areas of buried cremated remains, items from SS guards and people from various countries, that suggested many were Jewish, some demolished buried buildings, in what was a camp, that had then planted over, with no other information, they would conclude it was most likely the scene of a crime that was being covered-up. That the camps had had railway lines into them, would also suggest people had been transported there and died. The finds of some corpses of guards, who had been shot, would suggest fighting at the camp.
There is enough evidence, from archaeology alone, to suggest foul play and many dead.
Name a site, from any war, anywhere in the world, that is like the AR camps, with buried cremated remains, some corpses of soldiers that show they were shot dead, demolished buried buildings, a railway line into it, and it has been planted over.TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 16, 2025 6:17 pmSo the concentration camps of the American Civil War were also extermination camps, but no one claims that. In the case of Treblinka, what we have is a clandestine narrative that subsequently created this image in certain camps. What idiocy: the first gas chambers at Treblinka II were unfit for service, because those at Belzec and Sobibor were supposedly more than enough to purge the General Government in a matter of months.Nessie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:34 pm
If archaeologists found large areas of buried cremated remains, items from SS guards and people from various countries, that suggested many were Jewish, some demolished buried buildings, in what was a camp, that had then planted over, with no other information, they would conclude it was most likely the scene of a crime that was being covered-up. That the camps had had railway lines into them, would also suggest people had been transported there and died. The finds of some corpses of guards, who had been shot, would suggest fighting at the camp.
There is enough evidence, from archaeology alone, to suggest foul play and many dead.
You invented that lie. The witnesses to the pyres describe the use of petrol and wood. The set-up of the pyres also meant that air was drawn in and oxygen burns. You only fool yourself with your dishonesty.
You have zero evidence of mass transports to the east, from the AR camps, where people changed trains.Having trains near the German-Soviet demarcation line with their different track gauges is no big deal; it only strengthens Germany's foreign policy of deporting Jews to occupied Soviet territories.
Why did the Nazis not keep any records? Why would they cover-up mass resettlement?If there are no records of Jews in the USSR beyond what they already had in 1939, blame the Soviets and their closed system and misinformation.
I give you archaeological and geophysical evidence of large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains. You lie to yourself and pretend that only accounts for a small number of dead.I want you to give me the 1.7 million Jews buried or the alleged amount of ashes for these Reinhardt camps. You won't give us that because there isn't even close to a fraction of the alleged amount.
You cannot evidence what took place inside the AR camps.All these extras: the railway, the sorting and delousing facilities, the remains of cremations of people who died en route or from disease, the risk of groundwater contamination—none of this constitutes genocide.
It does not matter what you think. Evidence proves what happened. You dishonestly suggest I lack evidence, whilst you ignore you have no evidence.If I were given a directive from Hitler ordering such extermination, we wouldn't even discuss any of it, nor would I need to show camps or investigate anything. But there's no sign of it, not even in ministerial bodies that would have this carbon copy somewhere.
The first claim about cremations without fuel is a lie.
You do this a lot. Why not quote Stangl, rather than your dishonest misrepresentation?
That is not confliction, that is corroboration. The witnesses vary how they describe the pyres, but they are clearly describing the same thing, corpses piled onto a grate above wood, that was set on fire, often using petrol. If you went into more detail and actually quoted witnesses, you would see they also describe how the use of pyres developed, and that earliest cremations were by pouring fuel into the graves and setting it alight.Witnesses conflict; some say they harvested wood from the camp perimeter, others that oil was enough. None claimed it came from elsewhere, so there's no point in claiming the records were destroyed.
Former camp staff, giving statements for their trials in West Germany, describing how the pyres worked, is not just rumour. Please stop your repeated lying.The only clandestine image is of the camp revolt, not the cremations under the tracks.
In other words, we have absolutely nothing, just rumors and a huge amount of Polish-Soviet-sponsored propaganda.