Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[TlsMS93]

With Caroline, no Polish authority dictated what she should or shouldn't do, especially since if excavations were allowed without restrictions, there would be no need for LIDAR at all.

Now, regarding this 2024 investigation, what did they do and what did they find?

[Nessie]

With Caroline, no Polish authority dictated what she should or shouldn't do, especially since if excavations were allowed without restrictions, there would be no need for LIDAR at all.

If you read the evidence I link you to, you would not need to lie and make up crap. She got Polish permission to work at TII and the whole point of the work, was to use geophysics .

Now, regarding this 2024 investigation, what did they do and what did they find?

Read the link and look for more information yourself.

https://muzeumtreblinka.eu/en/2024/07/0 ... tion-camp/

"At the Memorial Site of the Treblinka II Extermination Camp, doctoral candidates and students, under the direction of Dr. Sebastian Różycki, identified the location of the new gas chambers and cremation grids."

[Nessie]

Seven graves of Trawniki, likely killed during the revolt, found at TII;

https://www.nature.com/articles/s40494-024-01184-7

[TlsMS93]

Just because they think they've discovered something doesn't make it true. The truth is, nothing has been proven; no one denies that there was a field there.

[Nessie]

Just because they think they've discovered something doesn't make it true. The truth is, nothing has been proven; no one denies that there was a field there.

Enough with the lying. You have been shown a ton of evidence for the mass graves and in return, you have produced zero evidence that there is just a field, that has never been dug into.

[Stubble]

I don't want anyone to be under the impression I'm 'dodging' or anything. If there was an open question in any of these posts (I got an alert) I can only assume it was more circular discourse and will refer back to previous posts where whatever query was previously addressed.

[HansHill]

I'm unsure what exactly Tism is referring to here about the legality of the CSC dig, so I'll allow him the space and time to continue and develop his own arguments as he sees fit.

However, to address Nessie's claim:

The image he posted is from this website:

https://eng.pw.edu.pl/News/Scientists-i ... ation-Camp

Where we can read the following:

The work is carried out under the supervision of a representative of the Rabbinical Commission for Jewish Cemeteries.

The biggest challenge during the work was the awareness of where we were undertaking work. The aim was to locate new gas chambers, which were created to replace the old chambers that did not fulfil their role in the process of extermination of the Jewish population. Another very important aspect was the observance of aspects of Halakhic law. During the work, we were supported by a representative of the Rabbinical Commission for Jewish Cemeteries.

This meant that the research conducted differed from any archaeological research conducted in Poland and abroad.

They are telling us in black and white, that due to "Jewish reasons", the methods and procedure of executing this dig are completely unique and are not done in any other dig, anywhere in the world

[Nessie]

I'm unsure what exactly Tism is referring to here about the legality of the CSC dig, so I'll allow him the space and time to continue and develop his own arguments as he sees fit.

However, to address Nessie's claim:

The image he posted is from this website:

https://eng.pw.edu.pl/News/Scientists-i ... ation-Camp

Where we can read the following:

The work is carried out under the supervision of a representative of the Rabbinical Commission for Jewish Cemeteries.

The biggest challenge during the work was the awareness of where we were undertaking work. The aim was to locate new gas chambers, which were created to replace the old chambers that did not fulfil their role in the process of extermination of the Jewish population. Another very important aspect was the observance of aspects of Halakhic law. During the work, we were supported by a representative of the Rabbinical Commission for Jewish Cemeteries.

This meant that the research conducted differed from any archaeological research conducted in Poland and abroad.

They are telling us in black and white, that due to "Jewish reasons", the methods and procedure of executing this dig are completely unique and are not done in any other dig, anywhere in the world

The museum authorities grant permission for any archaeological work at TII. Then, because of the chaotic nature of the site, where remains can still be found on the surface and the graves are not clearly delineated, or marked, a Rabbi is there to deal with any remains that are found or disturbed. That was shown in the Channel 5 documentary that followed the Staffs Uni site investigation. I would presume it is the same for the 2024 excavations. C S-C actively avoided digging into graves, but, because of the way the Nazis mixed cremains back into the ground and subsequent grave robbing, it is possible to still disturb and find cremains.

Nowhere else in the world, is there a mass grave, of cremated remains. TII, Sobibor, Belzec and Chelmno are unique, in that corpses were exhumed to be cremated. It was that Nazi action, which makes the sites different from elsewhere.

The AR camp sites are treated as graveyards. If an archaeological survey and excavations took place at a Christian graveyard, and human remains were found, the local minister would be involved in the reinterment of those remains.

[Nessie]

I don't want anyone to be under the impression I'm 'dodging' or anything. If there was an open question in any of these posts (I got an alert) I can only assume it was more circular discourse and will refer back to previous posts where whatever query was previously addressed.

He is dodging that I provide all of the evidence in this thread. So-called revisionists have provided zero evidence. He cherry-picked a map Wiernik helped to produce, that showed where the main mass graves were located in the camp, with 4 circles and then, the 2011 GPR data, that showed 4 pits in pretty much the same location as the circles. He ignored the other 7 GPR located large pits, that were also in areas Wiernik indicated in another map and a model of the camp he made.

[HansHill]

Nowhere else in the world, is there a mass grave, of cremated remains. TII, Sobibor, Belzec and Chelmno are unique, in that corpses were exhumed to be cremated. It was that Nazi action, which makes the sites different from elsewhere.

The AR camp sites are treated as graveyards. If an archaeological survey and excavations took place at a Christian graveyard, and human remains were found, the local minister would be involved in the reinterment of those remains.

More slop out of you.

Kindly show me where the relevant priests were involved for the archaeological survey for these Christian victims

[Nessie]

Nowhere else in the world, is there a mass grave, of cremated remains. TII, Sobibor, Belzec and Chelmno are unique, in that corpses were exhumed to be cremated. It was that Nazi action, which makes the sites different from elsewhere.

The AR camp sites are treated as graveyards. If an archaeological survey and excavations took place at a Christian graveyard, and human remains were found, the local minister would be involved in the reinterment of those remains.

More slop out of you.

Kindly show me where the relevant priests were involved for the archaeological survey for these Christian victims

"AI Overview
The Romani people do not have a single, unified religion. They are a diverse group with a variety of religious beliefs, including Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism, often influenced by the cultures of the countries where they reside. Some Roma also retain traditional beliefs and practices that predate their adoption of other religions."

Whether any Romani groups have asked for representatives to present at archaeological excavations at the AR camps, I do not know.

[HansHill]

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Thank you Nessie. I'm finished with you, for now.

[Nessie]

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Thank you Nessie. I'm finished with you, for now.

Another one drops out, because they cannot admit to the sheer volume of evidence for mass graves at TII and zero evidence of large areas of undisturbed ground in the southern end of the camp.

[TlsMS93]

Blah blah blah, this research, they firmly believe what happened, and what they find, they go around saying it's a gas chamber and not anything else. Archaeology with limitations is purely for the sake of claiming they did it and proved it. If an archaeological group were working at Treblinka II and conducting their own studies without knowing anything about what they say happened there, they would never say it was an extermination camp. We're dealing with the same old story here: shooting an arrow and drawing a target around it.

[Nessie]

Blah blah blah, this research, they firmly believe what happened, and what they find, they go around saying it's a gas chamber and not anything else. Archaeology with limitations is purely for the sake of claiming they did it and proved it. If an archaeological group were working at Treblinka II and conducting their own studies without knowing anything about what they say happened there, they would never say it was an extermination camp. We're dealing with the same old story here: shooting an arrow and drawing a target around it.

If archaeologists found large areas of buried cremated remains, items from SS guards and people from various countries, that suggested many were Jewish, some demolished buried buildings, in what was a camp, that had then planted over, with no other information, they would conclude it was most likely the scene of a crime that was being covered-up. That the camps had had railway lines into them, would also suggest people had been transported there and died. The finds of some corpses of guards, who had been shot, would suggest fighting at the camp.

There is enough evidence, from archaeology alone, to suggest foul play and many dead.