Stubble wrote: ↑Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:00 pm
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I have not assumed anything. There is eyewitness, photographic and archaeological evidence of mass graves under the memorial. Just because you and a few others reject that evidence, it does not mean therefore there are no mass graves.
You and I personally conjecture that there are mass graves, by interpreting evidence, that we both interpret differently. For example, when 3 teams of witnesses say there are 4 burial pits, I consider that confirmation of a number of pits equaling 4. [/quote]
You are referring to the maps, that both show four circles for the graves.
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap20.jpg
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap2.jpg
A witness who is named for the first map is Wiernik. He does not say how many graves there were in his book "A Year in Treblinka". His one map here, shows an area, without showing specific graves;
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap22.jpg
A plan of the model he made, shows three, not four mass graves;
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bmap5.jpg
You have cherry-picked four, rather than accepting he is not specific. The maps you accept are also clearly representative and not to scale, so you have been very selective.
You assume it means more than 4.
Wrong. Unlike you, I do not cherry-pick and so I see Wiernik is vague as to how many graves there were in the main mass grave area.
I look at the GPR data and I see 4 pits in the approximate place labeled in the maps and interpret that to be a strong physical piece of evidence that the witnesses described what they saw.
The GPR data clearly shows 5 pits in that place, G50-54, but because of your cherry-picking, you want to ignore one of those pits. You randomly decided to dismiss G50 as a tank trap.
You think it is proof of '2 hectares of grave space', '56 Olympic swimming pools worth of grave space'.
You assume.
No, I look at all of the evidence. Wiernik, as well as putting his name to two maps that show four circles, he modelled 3 main mass graves and produced another map showing the overall area. That is the same area that the 1945 Polish survey identified as 2 hectares of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains up to 7m deep. You do not cherry-pick that map and the Polish survey, because it shows a far larger area of buried remains than you want to accept. So, you cherry-pick the smallest amount.
Further, I acknowledge these are 'alleged' mass graves, not proven.
You have convinced yourself of that, by cherry-picking only some of the evidence.
You attempt to use the gap in the data from the memorial to assume grave space not directly described and attested to contemporaneously. You rely on witness statements from witnesses whose maps and models don't comport with the reality of the data generated by the CSC study.
You have contradicted yourself by suggesting I assume grave space under the memorial, whilst admitting there is eyewitness evidence. There is also evidence from the 1945 Polish survey and the photographs. You miss that out.
The C S-C survey, which could only go round the edge of the memorial, does comport with the Wiernik map and his model, that you ignore. The GPR shows a series of large pits, close together, in the area he states the main mass graves were located.
At least you don't think the property pits are mass graves or that there are mass graves 'under the trees' outside the 'extermination area'.
Where pits are shallow and property was found, that is not a mass grave. As for mass graves under the trees, I suspect there are none, because of the 1944 aerial photo, which when overlaid with the GPR, shows graves up to the inner boundary, which pretty much matches the tree line. There may be some overlap, but I would not expect an entire mass grave to be found.
You only fool yourself, when you cherry-pick some of the evidence, to try to claim there are only 4 mass grave pits.
